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Terry L. Karkos, Maine Genealogist

 

November 19 at 1:38 PM.

[Terry L. Karkos is a former Staff writer, a photojournalist at Sun Journal (Lewiston, Maine).  His genealogy website KarlosChronicles.com was one of the first Slovak websites I visited.  There I learned “that George F. Karkos was born in Lisbon Falls on September 11, 1899. He married Annie M. Elcik in Lisbon Falls on February 9, 1925. Annie, born in Durham, Maine, on April 10, 1905, to John and Mary (Pelcarsky) Elcik, died in Lisbon Falls on May 14, 1982. George died in Brunswick, Maine, on April 7, 1965.” Annie had a twin sister named
Elizabeth.” – Dr. John P. Elcik, IV – Editor]

John, IV – Do you know if there is a family relationship between Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936) and Anna Pelcarsky Karkos (1877-1940? This would be the second relationship between Elcik and Karkos families as Annie M. Elcik (1905) married George F. Karkos in 1925.

Terry – No. I know Anna’s parents were Joseph Pelcarsky and Anna Belyan, though. Belyan was born c. 1848 and died in Lisbon Falls on March 1, 1938. Anna Pelcarsky was born 9-17-1877 in Parchovany, Slovakia. The funny thing is, Joseph K was 26 when he married 15-year-old Anna Pelcarsky. Wondering if it was an arranged marriage

John, IV – Thank you! This is the second time you have helped me. Years ago, when your website was active, I first learned about Annie Elcik from you. I hope you choose to bring your website back. It was well done. Warmest regards!

Terry – Working on bringing it back. I need to find a site to park it again. Thanks, John. Glad I could help

John, IV – I might be able to help. I have extra space on my SiteGround account. I could set up a WordPress site for you if you wish. Are you familiar with WordPress? Us Genealogists should stick together.

Terry – I have heard of WordPress. My brother in Utah sent me a site to check out. I will get my site back up. Several people have been asking about it. My wife and I moved to Holbrook, AZ, last August, after selling my house closer to my Dad and siblings and their families down in Apache Jct and Gilbert. In Utah, my brother Scott, who also does genealogy, just visited Saturday, driving my Dad (83) up here from AJ. I hope you are doing well.

John, IV – I am. My wife and I are adjusting to having adult children by adopting dogs. Getting our second next Sunday.

Terry – Oh, nice! We’ve got two adult kids, one outside of Green Bay and the other at the Cape entrance in Mass. I don’t know if they have pets, but we’ve got four grandkids, one of whom is autistic.

John, IV – Our son and daughter live close to us in Fort Myers, Florida. Michelle is a Pharmacy tech and 10 minutes away. JP is a teacher and just got married. They are about 45 minutes away. I tease that they live in Canada. ?

Terry – Lol.

John, IV – My daughter in law teaches autistic and otherwise challenged students. She has a gift.

Terry – Nice.

John – I have to help Pam, my wife, prepare for a yard sale. Please stay in touch and let me know if you want a WordPress site. I even have an extra domain name. ? It… Not as clever as your branding was… Lol… WordPress is easy and powerful…

Terry – Sorry, my wife needs me, too, lol. Have fun, be safe.

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Re: Elcik Genealogy

Mon, January 25, 2021, 1:56 PM
Charlie:

Slovakia was part of the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary but was administered by Hungary. The Ilčík family was from Parchovany, Slovakia. In the latter part of the 19th century, the priests in Parchovany kept Hungarian sacramental records. In Hungarian, the surname came before the personal name. I found baptismal records for the following children of Ilycsik Pál (Pavol Ilčík in Slovak) and Pelcsarszki Mária (Mária Pelčarská in Slovak):

  • Ilycsik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovaki) baptized Mar. 10, 1885; as John P. Elcik died Sep. 5, 1962 at Lewiston
  • Ilycsik Mária (Mária Ilčík in Slovak) baptized May 18, 1889
  • Ilycsik Anna (Anna Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Sep. 22, 1891

(The Parchovany baptismal records are digitized up to 1895, but Pavol Ilčík was another one of their children, as confirmed by his obituary, which gives his date of birth as February 15, 1896. As Paul Elcik, he died Dec. 23, 1970, at Lewiston.

I found the following baptismal records in Parchovany for children of Ilscik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovak) and Erzsébet Bárán (Alžbeta Baran in Slovak):

  • Ilcsik György (Juraj Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Apr. 20, 1866
  • Ilcsik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Dec. 28, 1867; as John P. Elcik died May 24, 1941 at Lisbon Falls
  • Ilcsik Anna (Anna Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Jan. 31, 1870
  • Ilcskik József (Jozef Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Nov. 26, 1873; as Joseph P. Elcik died May 31, 1838

I hope this helps.

Deeb

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One More Thing

Wed 1/27/2021 4:47 AM
Everybody,
While Beth and I are entering new individuals into our family trees, I picked up on something I missed in my excitement.
First, we add one whole generation to the family tree, and we have additional siblings to add for the Great-Grandparents.  Both are awesome discoveries.
We also confirmed the only theory we had regarding which town the family immigrated from, Parchovany, Trebisov, Slovakia. We also added another town: Zbehnov. This will be a huge plus for additional research.
Two questions, however, I think remain to be asked and answered.
What is the relationship between Pal Ilysik (Pavol Ilcik) and Janos Ilscik (Jan Ilcik)?
Was this stated, and I missed it?
And finally, am I John IV or John V? My head hurts on this one. Lol.
What do you think?
John, IV
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Hello Cousin

February 5, 2021, 9:02 AM
Good morning John,
Right from the start, I’m in Ohio, a female born under Czechoslovakia’s flag in eastern Slovakia, further East of Parchovany in Vinne. I have been going on the boards for almost 20 years.  I love to pass on the research sites and information that I know and have gathered thru the years.  Very pleased to help and to hear that you have been able to go that far.  Awesome.  Genealogy is never-ending.
Zlatica
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Re: Hello Cousin

Fri 2/5/2021 1:50 PM
Ahoj bratranec,
When my e-mail was set up, it was set up under my husband’s first name Vladimir. BECA is his surname. He has his own e-mail. Neither of us goes into each other’s account.
I still have siblings and distant relatives in Vinne. Husband had a brother and a sister, but both passed away, so only nieces and nephews.
 
I’m not on FACEBOOK or any social media but e-mail.  
Congratulation on the e-book.  Exciting.
I went on the Slovakia Ancestry board and see that you have a query on there. I like that you also included the Slovak spelling of a surname.  Keep in mind that if the priest was not of Magyar ancestry, he most likely was not sure as to how to put a Slavic/Slovak surname into proper Magyar spelling. You might see ILYCSIK, which would be  IĽČÍK, and also you can see ILCSIK or ILCZIK.
In Magyar, LY would be the  Ľ sound in Slovak. In Vranov, we find both spellings:  IĽČÍK  and ILČÍK, but they are different pronunciation unless the spelling is wrong in the phone book.
 
My father was born in 1920, and his birth record does not show up in the Family Search. Some privacy law.  Possible that your Pal’s birth record was filmed, but if on that roll a record falls under privacy law, then the whole roll off the Family Search. Suppose Pal Ilysik (Pavol Ilcik) and Janos Ilscik (Jan Ilcik) were from the same location Parchovany than possibly some relationship. It cannot be ILSCIK but ILCSIK – Magyar grammar. It can be ILSZIK.
Zlatica 
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MyCousins – We Have Traveled Far

Elcik family in 1910 - We Have Traveled Far

 “Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” ― Benjamin Franklin.

Ancestry research is rewarding and fun. There is both the joy of learning and the satisfaction of solving puzzles. Ancestry research benefits come with involvement. If anything, this book seeks to involve you and others in the same journey Beth and I have taken.

What have we learned?

The parents of John P. Elcik, Sr.  were John P. Elcik (obituary reference) and the mysterious Elizabeth Baron.

John P. Elcik, Sr. had three previously unknown to us siblings:

  • George Elcik, born 1866 in Parchovany, Slovakia
  • Anna Elcik, born 1870 in Parchovany, Slovakia
  • Joseph P. Elcik, born 1875 in Parchovany, Slovakia

Historical

  • Joseph, the youngest brother, would have been too young to make the initial journey to America but immigrated 10 years later. He is part of the chain migration that gets talked about in history books. He would join John working as a washer in a local woolen mill.
  • We can tie the journey to America to both political and economic unrest. Austria-Hungary, as an Empire, was broken up into smaller countries, including the Czech Republic. Our relatives gave only general references to their place of origin as Austria-Hungary in official government documents like the U.S. Federal Census.  Both John Elcik, III, and John J. Elcik contributed to the oral record with Czechoslovakia references.
  • The Elcik’s began life in America as day laborers and demonstrated a strong work ethic of which we should be proud. By working hard, they experienced homeownership when few did.  Elcik’s participated in Androscoggin County‘s growth by working in the woolen and paper mills that fueled Maine’s early growth. Throughout the 1900s, male and female Elcik’s worked in the Woolen Mills. The Worumbo Mill was a historic mill on the Androscoggin Riverbank in Lisbon Falls, Maine. Founded in 1864, it was at one point the community’s largest employer. John P. Elcik, Sr. was a boss at the mill for 3o years. John P. Elcik, Jr. and other male ancestors worked at the Pejepscot Paper Company.  Today, it is a historic mill building located off U.S. 201 in Topsham, Maine, on the Androscoggin River banks, across from Brunswick.
  • The Elcik family, along with our adopted country, values education. Education was not easy to come by in the 1900s, but the Elcik’s benefited from what was available. Today, there are many college graduates in the family. Our careers include professions like teaching and medicine.
  • Our European ancestry is unlikely to be tied to the surname Elcik. Neither is it likely to be Elsik and Ilcik as we originally thought. Instead, based on Catholic church baptism records, we need to look for “Ilycsik” and “Ilcsik.” As for locations, the most likely place to look is Parchovany, Slovakia.

Puzzles Solved

  • We now know that John P. Elcik, Sr. and Mary Pelcarsky are buried in St. Cyril Cemetry, Lisbon Falls. There are a dozen other family members also buried in the same cemetery.  We also know that John’s obituary names John P. Elcik as his father.  Could the naming of all the John Elcik’s be off by a generation? Unthinkable.  Another obituary had  Joseph Elcik’s daughters misidentified as siblings. Fortunately, Charlie Hall caught the error.
  • Mary Pelcarsky is our textbook example of the spelling problems that plagued our research. There are multiple alternative spellings of Mary’s maiden surname: Mary Polscoke is John Elcik’s mother on his 20 FEB 1896 birth, Maine Vital Records; Mary Pelchascay is John Elcik’s mother on his marriage to Mary Byrus (sic), Maine Marriage Index; Mary Palcsak is Mary Elcik’s mother upon her 4 OCT 1915 wedding to John Dutko, Maine Marriage Index; Mary Pelesaky is Michael J. Elcik’s mother on his 1 AUG 1930 marriage to Annie H. Sero, Maine Marriage Index to name a few. George F. Karkos says Annie spelled her mother’s name as Pelcarsky. We give her the last word.
  • John Elcik, Jr. married twice and most likely left an inheritance when he sold his house and married the second time. A surviving letter by Auntie Gertrude hints at this, but details are lost.
  • Annie Elcik (1905-1982), shown in the 1910 photo at the age of 5, grows up and marries George F. Karkos (1899-1965). We first learned of this in Karkos Kronicles, a website created by Terry L. Karkos, a former reporter and photojournalist at Sun Journal (Lewiston, Maine). We recently confirmed a second connection between the Elcik and Karkos families. We have Maria Anna Pelcarsky’s obituary (my Great-grandmother), and she DID have a sister: Anna (Pelcarsky) Karkos. Terry tells us that Anna’s parents were Joseph K. Pelcarsky and Anna Belyan. Belyan was born c. 1848 and died in Lisbon Falls on March 1, 1938. Anna Pelcarsky was born 9-17-1877 in Parchovany, Slovakia. He goes on to note that Joseph K. was 26 when he married 15-year-old Anna Pelcarsky.
  • A 2nd connection between the Purinton and Elcik families is found. The Elcik family tree has 15 Purington, and 27 Purrington currently on it. And since we both know neither family can spell it stands to reason Beth and I are related beyond her marriage to my 1st cousin Jack. We put the question to resident expert Charlie Hall who concludes, “we have to go back to the first American born generation for the common ancestor: John Purington, 1635 – 1692. Not sure how many DNA elements would be found, fewer than between John IV and Jack most certainly.”
  • John Elcik of Rocky Point, New York, is related both by marriage and by blood. His cousin, George Elcik, married Anna Gamache. George was called cousin by my Auntie Gertrude, but there is no blood relationship. By marrying Anna, Uncle Norman’s sister, a marital relationship exists between what we mistakenly called the Lisbon Falls and The Durham Elcik’s. Both family’s ties to America begin in Durham, Maine. The blood relation is revealed by DNA testing.  Both John P. Elcik, IV and John J. Elcik’s DNA are on file at Ancestry.com.
  • DNA also identifies four “new to us” cousins:
            • Judy Lakkis, a retired Xray Technician. Her father is John Chester Spivak, his father was Timothy Spivak, and his mother was Tessie Spivak. They are originally from Poland.
            • Zlatica Beca, “born under Czechoslovakia’s flag in eastern Slovakia further East of Parchovany in Vinne.”
            • Earl Williams, a Lisbon Historical Society member and part of our “Fabulous Seven” research team.
            • An as-yet-unnamed Turkish cousin.

Family Celebrity

  • Elizabeth Mabie Elcik, a noteworthy Fashion illustrator according to Marquis’s “Who’s Who in American Women,” “Who’s Who in America,” and “Who’s Who in the World.” From fads such as the early ’90s safari-look to timeless pantsuits for the modern businesswoman, she has practically drawn them all.
  • Eugene Elcik, a Maine native who writes with a New England flavor. Eugene “Gene” Elcik’s novels are: “Challenges,” “Desperation of Souls,” “The Lobsterman of Deep Cove, Maine,”; “Shiloh, the Deception of a Cult, (1861- 1951)”; “The Confessional, the Sins Within;” and “Beyond the Snows of Maine.”

Check out the In the News feature on MyCousins for other family members who’s activities made the Internet.

Contributions

The Elcik Family Tree on Ancestry.com has grown substantially and covers much more than the Elcik’s.  It has 5,217 people, 3,271 photos, 428 life stories, and 6,051 records. Even so, Ancestry HINTs still offer 3,189 people and 26,535 records to explore. It is the addition of priceless pictures and life stories that have seen the most exciting changes.

  • There is a 1951 photo of John Elcik, Jr., thanks to Jeff, Jack, and Nancy.
  • A wedding photo of John Elcik, Jr., and Mary Byrus, thanks to Mark.
  • The naturalization document for Andrew Byras, thanks to Nancy.
  • A wedding photo of Aunt Gertrude and Uncle Norman, thanks to Becky.
  • Quality photos of family gravesites, thanks to Beth
  • Wanda’s letter with the words to the Slovak nursery song from Becky.
  • Becky’s Moulton family stories.
  • Beth’s Puddington family history.
  • Thanks to Janet, we have Chapman Cottage pictures, the B&B, which was once the Lucas home.
  • And numerous photos and letters that came from John Elcik III through Jeff.

Still to Do

  • Two family recipes are missing: a kielbasa recipe from George Elcik and a homebrew recipe from Jack’s grandfather, Edmond. Jack and his dad, George, and Bob, went to Durham to smoke the kielbasa because John Ilcik had a smokehouse. After John died, George asked Jack’s dad to smoke the kielbasa at his house. John, IV remembers the smokehouse and the dark beer though he would have been too young to drink the latter.
  • Nancy (Gamache) Kaskmer has the naturalization papers for Andrew Byras (1865-1945), and they indicate Kisfalucsko, Hungary, is another place where the Byras family came from. We want to research this in more detail. Our first pass suggests that the town may no longer exist. Also, can we locate the naturalization papers for others?
  • Will DNA or other records help us identify and meet European relations?
  • Our ongoing research interests are posted both with John’s Ancestry profile and on Ancestry’s Message Boards.

Final Observations

Our reference to a World Tree in the introduction to “My Cousins” has merit. There already are several. The FamilySearch Family Tree at FamilySearch.org is the world’s largest online family tree. We have entered name and date data hoping that our European cousins will do the same. If so, it could be the vehicle to knock down the brick wall that has hampered locating families in Europe.

The distinction between a family tree and family history is a point we wish to make. By adding life stories and photos to the Ancestry.com site, we transition from just a family tree to recording family history.  If sources separate a family tree from mythology, our life stories and photos provide actual life lessons. Isn’t this the true purpose and value of history?

The time to write stories and collect photos is now. We have traveled far. Will you join us?

Dr. John P. Elcik, IV           Beth (Purinton) Gamache

john@mycousins.org      beth@mycousins.org

P.S. Remember the baby lullabies that John III and Uncle Richard would sing.  We have the words, and they are men’s drinking songs. Did they know?

What can I do with these women, we went to bar they came after us, we ordered, they drank and when came to pay they hid. – Zlatica Beca

2nd song says something like 2 guys were walking to church but they stopped at the Halley (Hall or club) and got pianni (drunk). Then they went to church and prayed that their wives would let them in the house! – Dan Gamache