Posted on Leave a comment

The Spelling of our Last Name


Sat 7/11/2020 4:38 PM

Jim & Jeff,

I realized after the last message that there is a follow-up to the story in why today we spell our name “Elcik.”

If we look at the history of usage based on United States Federal Census data, we learn:

  • In 1910 Sr. had his surname recorded as “Elsik” while Jr. and the rest of the family were written as “Elcik.”
  • In 1920 Jr’s and family had their surname recorded as “Elcih.”
  • In 1930 and 1940, John III’s and family had their surname recorded as Elick”. It, of course, predates our birth.
  • Today the surname is used as “Elcik.”

It looks like our Dad over several decades, used “Elick” as our surname, but with our generation, he and we have gone back to our roots by using “Elcik.” Recall that I said the “Elick” spelling was used for Dad’s siblings: Madelyn, Gertrude, Mary, Richard, and Elinor. I was also of interest that “Madelyn” and “Elinor” eventually become “Madeline” and “Eleanor,” respectively. When overtime names change, it becomes increasingly difficult to be sure you have been recording them right. ?

One final mystery. Until I got the dates right the John Elcik, who was born in 1886, was incorrectly finding his way onto our tree. First, we know John P. Elcik, Jr. was born in 1896. I doubt as a ten-year-old, he fathered a child. The mystery is solved with the 1910 United States Census. Both the “Elsik” and the “Elcik” spellings are used within the same household.

Finally, one other surname has been a source of frustration. John “Elsik’s” wife Mary Pelcarskey had has also been recorded as “Maria Ilcik.” Ouch!

Inquiring minds wanted to know. So, as Paul Harvey used to say, “That is the rest of the story.”

John

[All this research and I can’t answer for the way we pronounce “Elcik” as “El-check.” I do vaguely recall having uttered it “Elsick” when I was young. I also remember saying, “check, like in Czechoslovakia.” Could kids in school have been bullying us? Maybe. – Dr. John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]

Posted on Leave a comment

Gravestone Question


Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:47 PM

John (NY),

Could this be your Great-Great Grandfather’s gravestone? He is buried with his wife Jeho Zena Marie Ilcik, and one son.

SONY DSC

This son obviously can’t be your Great Grandfather. But they could have had another child.

If you examine the photo:

  • John Ilcik (16 MARH 1886 – ?? SEPT 1982)
  • Jeho Zena Marie Ilcik (28 SEPT 1887 – 13 AUG 1951), Age 63
  • John Ilcik (12 AUG 1908 – 02 JUL 1916)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36864877

John, IV

[John Ilcik will be identified later as the Great Grandfather. – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]

Posted on Leave a comment

Searching for a Great Grandfather


Saturday, July 18, 2020, 6:03 AM

To: Elcik, John (DFA) <John.Elcik@dfa.state.ny.us>

John,

I have a fresh candidate to be a presumptive Great-Grandfather.

John Ilcik was born in Slovakia on December 28, 1910. He came to New York through Canada.

The one concern I will raise is that he would have been 33 when he fathered your Grandfather.

I’m attaching a copy of the documentation.

I’ll look for a spouse that would help verify or eliminate him as a candidate.

I’ll keep looking till you say stop. ?

I will drop the Great-Great-Grandfather Ilcik candidate who had the eight-year-old son from any consideration. Until we find your Great-Grandfather, nothing can be verified.

John, IV

[I gave up too soon. John Ilsik is the missing Great-Grandfather. John Ilcik’s son George Michael Elcik will marry Anna Gamache establishing the first family link between our two families. Anna is sister-in-law to my Auntie Gertrude. Her brother is Norman Gamache. – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]

Posted on Leave a comment

Listen Closely and Follow Up


Saturday, July 18, 2020, 7:29 AM

John (NY),

I just replayed an earlier discussion back in my mind. I don’t think I listened as well as I might have. And the fact that I am hard of hearing had nothing to do with it. I was preoccupied with my theories.

You said the Elcik name was changed from Ilcik to Elcik at Ellis Island. Was this done for your grandfather? If so, I’m chasing a wild goose. 🙂 I should not be looking for another Ilcik who immigrated; instead, if possible, I need to find your grandfather’s immigration document to satisfy my curiosity.

It is not the news I would have hoped for as the more individuals we place on the family tree, the greater the chances of linking our two families here in America. If the link occurs in Europe, we may not have the resources to prove what we both think about our families being related.

So the #1 question I have is, did your grandfather come through Ellis Island or did a Great/or Great-Great Grandparent? I think where I went wrong is believing that you are related to the John Elcik that immigrated 15 years after my Great Grandfather (John Elsik), who arrived in 1891. I have been working on the theory that that wave of immigration was followed by another one in 1906. My view might be wrong if John J. Ilcik (your grandfather) arrived through Elis island in the 1940-50s. It would mean there were at least three, not two, waves of Elcik immigrants. Wow!

Again, even if this is true, it is still likely that our ancestors are connected by relationships back in Austria/Hungry/Slovenia. While a DNA test might prove this, I think we can take this on faith.

John, IV

P.S. Aunt Gertrude’s cousin, who married Anna Gamache, not her brother. Too many people named Andrew, George, James, and John. Very easy to make a mistake, which is frustrating.

[John Ilcik immigrated 15 years after my Great Grandfather (John Elsik). From the beginning, I was trying to connect the right two individuals. Proving that was delayed by my not comprehending the timetable. Always listen closely and followup. The discovery of a family relationship between the two men is the next step. Can it be done? – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]

Posted on Leave a comment

Elcik New York History


Sat 7/18/2020 12:58 PM

Hello John,

My grandfather Andrew Elcik was born here in Lisbon Falls, Maine in 1911 ( died 1995 on Long Island ), and it was my great grandfather John Ilcik who came here thru Ellis Island in the early 1900s (don’t have an exact date but early 1900’s NOT 1940’s or 50’s. All they know is it was spelled “Ilcik” in Europe (Austria-Hungarian empire what is now the Czech Republic). It was changed by mistake at Ellis Island when they just put it down wrong (not on Purpose). We are Slovak and Not Czech, and my grandfather Andrew and Great grandfather spoke the language.

As I shared with you on Facebook, my father is John Elcik, born in 1943 in Queens, NY, and died in 2018. You have the correct year of 1962, when I believe my great grandfather died. If you did not see it on Facebook, my grandfather Andrew Elcik came to NYC between 1929 – 1932 because he could not find work at the paper mill anymore due to the great depression. He ended up working for Bryers Ice cream for 40 years. He married Jeannie Pascarella around 1939 and had two sons Andrew Elcik born in 1941, and my dad John Elcik born in 1943.

My uncle is still alive but hazy about the family’s past. I wish my dad John Elcik was alive because he could help solve this mystery. My uncle Andrew Elcik had three children Christine born 1965, Andrew born 1967, and Jaqueline, born 1970 or 71. We have pictures of my great grandparents and grandfather from Lisbon Falls, which I will eventually scan to you. We will eventually figure out the direct link.

More to come.

John Elcik (NY)

Posted on Leave a comment

Record Keeping in Ancestry Research


Sunday, July 19, 2020, 2:44 AM

John (NY),

Computers are excellent tools for Ancestry/Genealogy research. Most of what I have done on the Family Tree would not be affordable without one.

Even so, one other situation has played a significant part in the process. Family members were required every ten years to complete Federal Census forms. To date, the Federal Government has published census data for 1910, 1920, 1930, and 1940. In each decade, family members did this, and I have harvested the results.

The New York Elcik’s immigrated to America later, and we may not have census data until the 1950 Census is published. I have not yet found your grandfather in the 1940 Census. I haven’t given up. Usually, the software presents census data as a Hint. It hasn’t, so I’ll try a directed search approach.

Also, I will research the passenger lists of Elcik/Ilcik individuals going through Ellis Island.

It may be true that family records are as good as the Census given the family timeline.

Where we fall short is in our ability to reach back to Austria/Hungary. I have a World Explorer Membership with Ancestry.com. It provides access to both U.S. and international records, including birth, marriage, death, and Census records.

So far, I haven’t found anything I can use. Maybe it is the inconsistency in the spelling of surnames/given names. I suspect, however, that the problem is far worse. I don’t think good records exist in Europe. For example, the best records I find are for baptisms. The Catholic church maintains these. And I do know that my grandparents were Catholics. I have yet to find data on births and marriages. I will continue to try.

Do you have any questions for me?

John, IV

Posted on Leave a comment

Background Information

July 21, 2020

Beth,

My site combines all the trees. Your practice of smaller trees makes better sense. The Skillin (Mom’s side) just blew mine up. Somehow I got a lot of ancient records. I’m investigating. 🙂

You show the father of John P. Elcik, Jr. (married to Mary Byras) to be Andrew Walker Elcik (1925-2000). Working off the 1910 Census, I concluded that John, Jr.’s father to be John Elsik (1866-1941) Sr. What do you think? The spouse for John, Sr. is giving me a headache. Two names: Mary Jonek and Mary Helen Parcheky, are candidates, but dates are part of the problem. Still researching. Several Stories show my journey that can be found in the Gallery on my record.

My current operating theory is that there have been at least three waves of immigrants arriving in America with the same or similar surnames.

  1. John Elcik (1886-1982) married to Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906.) Ancestry says John is the husband of a great-aunt.
  2. John Elsik (1866-1941) married Mary Helen Parcheky (1875-1936) through whom I, Dad, and John, Jr. are descended. In the 1910 Census, he changed the name from Elsik to Elcik for everyone but himself. John Immigrated in 1891 and Mary in 1896. 2 sources verify both immigrations. Ancestry says John is my great-grandfather.
  3. Andrew J. Elcik (1911-1995) married Jeannie Pascarella through whom many of the New York Elcik’s are descended. He came to America through Elis Island in the late ’30s or early ’40s, and the name was changed to Elcik from Ilcik. Ancestry has found no family links. He could be “stepson of a great-aunt,” I am still researching.

Confused yet? I believe all three families will be shown as related, if and when we “jump the pond” to Europe. We all come from Europe (Austria/Hungry), spoke Slovak, and had a Catholic upbringing.

Another item of interest. The name was spelled Elcik in the 1910 Census but was spelled Elick in the 1930 and 1940 Censuses. The 1950 Census has yet to be published. I need to change them to Elcik as the preferred spelling, but several records may still show Elick. I plan on leaving Elcik, Sr. as Elsik as it is the spelling that I hope to get results with outside the U.S.

I’m showing Andrew W. Elcik, Jr. (1953-2016) as my 2nd Cousin and Andrew John Elcik (1911-1951) as the stepson of a great-aunt. This is an ideal example to show the difficulties that similar names cause us. Andrew J. Elcik (18 Nov 1911-16 MAR 1995) and Andrew John Elcik (26 OCT 1911-04 APR 1951) is an actual research problem for me. Andrew J. is the grandfather of my Elcik contact in New York, while Andrew John Elcik is a known relative. Thus, I have just told the New York John Elcik that I can’t show a family connection, yet. But I am having fun.

I sent you two pictures and 3 documents through the mail. I don’t think documents can be exchanged within Ancestry’s new Messenger service.

John, IV

P.S. Someday, ask me about my DNA story.