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Karkos Kronicles

September 26, 2017 
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Karkos Kronicles

October 15, 2018
I was flipping through my genealogy program last night and realized with a shock that I hadn’t put my Mom’s adopted mother’s death date, nor my Mom’s death date in it. And, of course, I can’t find her adopted mom’s obit online or her husband’s, but I know I have the newspaper ones somewhere in my genealogy stuff.
For 7 years straight, I did my family’s genealogy research in between work and volunteer work. Since then, I’ve been doing it off and on and still finding stuff I didn’t have or stuff from cousins I met via Facebook (I’ve really got to get my Karkos Kronicles back online.). And all I started with were memories of my Dad.
For instance, my wife’s mother’s ancestors came from Russia, and my Dad’s ancestors from far eastern Slovakia, near Russia. Fate or coincidence? I didn’t marry until I was 41. It was her second marriage.
I know we all go back to Adam and Eve, but I’m more interested in filling in the gaps and learning about our stories and history. Still, Google has the current world population at 7.2 billion. That’s A LOT of sex since Adam and Eve.
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Facebook Chat – John Elcik (Florida) and John Elcik (New York)

July 15, 2020, through July 19, 2020

July 15, 2020, 7:20 AM

John Elcik (Florida)  – Would you or a member of the family be interested in some ancestry research I’m doing? I have a real mystery to solve and could use another person’s opinion. It could be fun. I can provide additional details, and there is no obligation after you see the question and analysis I have done. Warmest regards, John P.S. if you prefer email for this, my address is johnelcik@msn.com

July 16, 2020, 1:42 PM

John Elcik (New York) – Hi John. I would be interested! I know there must be some relation between us since the last name Elcik is not common and our relatives came from Lisbon Falls. If there’s anything I can do to help with the research or anything you want to show me, probably the best way to reach me is at my work email since I am always at work, my email at work is John.Elcik@dfa.state.ny.us. Also, I don’t mind you using the instant messenger on Facebook.

July 18, 2020, 7:32 AM

My grandfather Andrew Elcik was born in Lisbon Falls on a farm in 1911. He eventually settled in New York City and raised his family in Queens, New York. My father just recently passed away, was also named John Elcik. My father’s brother Andrew Elcik is still alive and lives in Plainview.  I know there is a very direct relationship here.

John Elcik (Florida) – I’m going to use the email address as I don’t know how to attach documents to the messenger. ? I’m sending two emails initially, but please don’t feel you need to respond right away other than a short note to say you get them. I agree we are related, but I’ve been years in coming up with my theory on why it has been so difficult to prove. The first email will have five documents. It would be beneficial to read them in the order I created them, so I have given each a number. The second email will be an invitation to access the Family Tree on Ancestory.com. They offer free 15-day trials. I’m looking forward to this. Enjoy!

John Elcik (New York) –  Great, sounds good, John ?

John Elcik (Florida) – Can you read your work email from home? If not, I sent a new update that may invalidate much of my work, depending on whether it was your grandfather or an older relative that went through Ellis Island. If it was your grandfather, It may invalidate my theory that your grandparents arrived here in the early 1900s. Your grandfather would have come sometime in the 1940-50s. My hope will then ride on a Europen connection between the families. More difficult to prove but just as real to me. ?

Having read more about the economic and political turmoil in Europe, it makes sense if family ties were forged before we got here. There probably were a dozen or more “waves” of immigration over a hundred years. I got caught up in the close timing between two of the arrivals, just 15 years apart. And there is also the Lisbon Falls connection.

John Elcik (New York) – My great grandparents arrived in the early 1900s. I know that for fact and then settled in Lisbon Falls, Maine. John, according to the tree, you are confusing my dad as my grandfather! My father is John Elcik, and he was born in 1943 died in 2018 my grandfather was Andrew Elcik, born in Lisbon Falls, Maine 1911, died in 1995. I was born in 1965, and I am also John Elcik, as you know! Since you are in your 60’s, your generation is somewhere between my dad and me!

John Elcik (Florida) – I have a lot more info to send you, But I have to get organized, and I will forward it to you. I have access to my work email at home, but I’m not going to be home much this weekend. I may not get to look at it until Monday! There are a lot of things you had correct. My great grandfather John Elcik did die in 1962, so you have that right!

John Elcik (New York) – Because of a lack of work up in Maine during the Great Depression, my grandfather Andrew Elcik came to NYC in about 1932. He settled in Queens, NY! He married an Italian American, Jeannie Pascarella! My grandparents had two children (my dad) John Elcik, born in 1943, and my uncle Andrew Elcik born in 1941. Both my dad and uncle settled on Long Island, where we remain! I have a sister Karen (Elcik) McDonald, born in 1968! My uncle Andrew had three children; Christine was born in 1965, Andrew born in 1967, and Jacqueline was born in 1970.

July 19, 2020, 3:05 AM

John Elcik (Florida) – Curiosity killed the cat; satisfaction brought it back. Can you point me to a relatively current picture? Who is Nicholas?

John Elcik (New York) – Nicholas is my son born in 2001, and Katherine is my daughter born in 2005. I have two children, and my wife is Deborah Elcik (Polak ) Born 1968! Whose recent picture would you like me to send to you ???

John Elcik (Florida) – I think I have been confusing Nicholas and you. Silly, I know. The pictures of John J. got me confused. I believe now you are the guy with glasses, and you have Nicolas’s image on the cover of Facebook? If so, I think you are about 15 years my junior? I was born in 1952.

John Elcik (New York) – I am the older guy with glasses. My son Nick is young, only 19! More confusing is I am John Elcik, and my dad was John J Elcik. No Sr. or Jr. stuff to worry about.

John Elcik (Florida) – My son is the V. Tremendous social pressure! J.P., as we call him, is getting married this year. Talk about pressure. ?

John Elcik (New York) – Wow, congrats I got married older, so my kids are still pretty young.

John Elcik (Florida) – This explains the reaction to my brother’s picture. I thought I was talking to glasses until I saw the cover photo. ? I’ve got to go. Pam is calling. Talk another time again. Have a great day!

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Facebook Chat – John Elcik and Janet (Lucas) Welsh

July 20, 2020, through July 23, 2020

July 20, 2020, 11:14 AM

John Elcik: Janet, this one is just for you!

Janet Welch: Oh, John ??❤️??❤️??❤️! You have no idea how much this picture means. I’ve never seen anything like this.

Janet Welch: I miss my parents so very much ❤️

John Elcik: Me too, both your and Jack’s parents were special to all three of us, Elcik boys.

Janet Welch: John Elcik and you boys to them.

John Elcik: In addition to my memories of your parents, I remember you and your siblings, the big house in York, and how hard your parents worked.

Janet Welch: John Elcik? That’s so wonderful ❤️. Thank you sooo much for posting that picture. I absolutely LOVE it. ?

Janet Welch: John Elcik, my immediate family, was and still is so valued. We’ve remained very close. Our Dad was always saying stay close, help each other out. My parents were both very hard workers. Nose to the grindstone, never, ever complaining. I do not know how they managed what they did. I have a tremendous amount of respect for both of them. Miss them to this very day as I’m sure you miss yours.

John Elcik: I said York, but as I recall, it was Old Orchard Beach and a great place to live in the summer. I’ve heard that the house may now be bed and breakfast?

John Elcik: I’ve often told my wife and children that I would like a house like you had and the opportunity to have several generations live together. I idolized what you had with a large, close family. ♥️

Janet Welch: Our former home here in York is currently a B&B. It’s called Chapman Cottage. Google it. Many many fun memories were had there. Very tough moving from Lisbon Falls initially, but absolutely the best thing for all of us. I live in such a beautiful area. Very blessed.

John Elcik: Yes, blessed!

Janet – So you live in FT Myers full time? If so, how long?

John – Approximately ten years. We moved here from Wellington on Florida’s East coast. The move Florida happened when J.P. and Michelle were doing their last years of high school.

John – Is anyone else we know in Florida?

John – Do you ever come south? We can be hosts.

Janet – We are in York, have a winter home in The Village’s, FL for the past 7+ years, and just rebought another year-round home, after selling our previous one of 19 years, with our son and his family in Rangeley, ME.

John – Do you have a golf cart for the villages? I love that community!

Janet – My brother, Rod, lives full time in The Village’s, FL, with his beautiful wife, Rose. His daughter Megan lives near him.

John – Two homes, Wow! It would be great to see them and you! You and my sister-in-law are house rich!

Janet – We will have to meet up this winter if all goes well regarding this virus. We are waiting to see how all goes with a vaccine before heading back to FL. Grateful to have options?

Janet – And yes. We sold our snowmobiles and bought golf carts to travel around in.

John – Until recently, Kathy had a home in Zionsville, Indiana, and one on Sanibel Island, Florida. Now she lives a few miles away in Fort Myers.

John – I love the concept of a golf cart. Not popular in The Meadow of Parker Lakes.

John – The virus is a real pain!!!!!

Janet – Agree. It’s changed most of everyone’s lifestyle. And it is rearing its ugly head, yet again.

John – Florida is the new epicenter.

Janet – So I hear. ?

John – We have faith.

Janet – We have to.

John – Amen.

Janet – Yes. Amen ❤️

John – An excellent place to stop for lunch! I’ve enjoyed this.

Janet – Likewise! Be safe. Stay well?

John – I’m fixing it. You too!

Jul 22, 2020, 6:08 AM

Janet,

The Family Tree I’m working on is quite robust because of the advantages computers give us. The Tree includes information on all branches of our family. Elcik, Lucas, and more.

Ultimately, the project requires review by the people that know the individuals best. Would you be willing to review what I have on your parents? The final documents are something that I think you will cherish. And I get the satisfaction of knowing that I got their life stories right. What do you think?

Share your email address, and I will snd you four documents. There are a LifeStory and a Fact document for each parent. ?
With an eMail address, I could also provide you access to the whole Tree as a guest, contributor, or editor. Let me know if you want to do either of these options or both.

Warmest regards, John

July 23, 2020, 9:43 AM

Janet – That sounds wonderful!! Thanks so much ❤️. My email is janw@maine.rr.com.

John – I will send you an invitation.

John – The email is sent, and Ancestry should send you one too. Theirs will give you login instructions.

John – 11 years ago, Keri Lucas contacted us about the Family Tree. That site doesn’t exist anymore. Do you think she would be interested in the new site? Do you talk with her?

Janet –  Hi John. I’m sure she would be interested. I’ll get in touch with her. She’s living in North Carolina now, but we occasionally text each other.

John – Great! I’m collaborating with Beth Gamache on getting my facts right, but I can never have too much interest. ?

Janet – Gotcha! ?

John – I hope your day is going well.

Janet – Fabulously! Suppose to get strong storms this afternoon. A very hot & dry summer so far. I hope your day is great as well!

John – It is. Working on training our puppy.

Janet – A puppy?!? What kind?

John – A Chihuahua and Terrier mix from the humane society. Her name is Lucy Belle. She is tan, and I think she is 100% terror.

John – Freudian slip, I meant to say Terrier

Janet – So a little pooch.

John – Yes. about 10 pounds and a bundle of energy

Janet – Will help keep you young ?.

John – Absolutely, Do you have pets(s)?

Janet – Yes. A cocker spaniel named Cooper. He’s 12.

John – Lovely. Small dogs live the longest. Our Holly and Daisey were with us for more than 15 years.

Janet – Good long lives. It’s tough losing a pet. We had another cocker that lived until 15. He was a love. Our current dog has been a handful. He’s just starting to be ok with other dogs—been kind of a brat.

John – Our Lucy has had a rocky start. We will do better for her and me.

Janet – I’ll be sending positive vibes ??!

John – Thanks!!!!

John – I need to go, but it is always a pleasure to visit.

Janet – Likewise!! Take care.

John – You too!

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John and Beth’s First Facebook Conversation

July 17, 2020
John Elcik – Beth, Thank you for helping me! I just told Jack that his Maine Maritime Acadamy photo was taken during the time I thought he looked like Ben Gazzara (it may also have been the voice.) More recently, a picture of him with you looks like a young Gene Hackman. And you, yourself, are extremely photogenic today. Here is a family picture from several years ago. We need to have a more recent one commissioned. J.P. is a teacher and getting married soon to Ana, also a teacher. Michelle is a Pharmacy Tech at Walgreens. Pam and I are enjoying retirement.
I never knew I was married to a celebrity!!!! I have a Gamache family tree on Ancestry, which includes Elcik and Byras. Byras was Gertrude’s mother’s maiden name. I will share what I have with you on Ancestry. I have some missing links on the Elcik family, but you may help me with that. Jack isn’t on Ancestry and isn’t interested, but I AM!! Hopefully, we can help each other with all this family “stuff.”
John Elcik – My pleasure! I asked Jack three questions, and he was helped with one already. It is a sad fact that with Elcik’s, the trail is complicated. The name is variously spelled Elcik, Elick, Elsik, or Ilcik. Ouch! Plus, everybody loved the names Andrew,  James, John, Joseph, and Paul. To further complicate everything, two Elcik families immigrated to America (and Lisbon Falls, Maine) 15 years apart, and I have yet to establish a link between them. I do believe one exists. I can do five generations but not the sixth. Finally, Mary or Marie is the most popular name for the wives, and getting the right wife and husband combination has been a struggle. Only Mary Byrus is known for sure. And she has been recorded as Mary Burns. Spelling. Grrr.
Beth Purinton Gamache – You’re absolutely right about the spelling of last names. I struggle with that not only with Jack’s family but mine. I’ve been doing this for 3 years and am just now figuring some of this out. Bringing the Byras/Byrus family name into Jack’s family’s mix further complicates it for me. That puts you in the same category as me. Unfortunately, Jack isn’t interested in any of this, but I’m hooked. What is your name on Ancestry? I want to be sure to share the Gamache family tree with the right person.
John Elcik – Beth Purinton Gamache,  the address is jelcik@identityxperts.com as the other site is very old and soon to be deleted. Give me a week more, and I will be ready to share. My new site is called MyCousins with a matching website. The old site was called Cousins and used a different email address. 🤔
Beth Purinton Gamache – John Elcik,  I still have more work to do on the Byras/Elcik family. I combined those families with the Gamache’s. My email address for Ancestry is jbgam2@gmail.com. I will share the Gamache family with you. Are you on Ancestry???
John Elcik – Yes. And with your email, I can and will send you an invitation.

John Elcik – Invite has been sent. Enjoy!

Beth Purinton Gamache – Thank you!
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Your Facebook Photos Remind Me of My Brother Jim


Friday, July 17, 2020, 9:50 PM

John, NY

I think that your grandfather and mine look like brothers (fraternal twins?).

Later I learn that I have misidentified by using a photo of my maternal rather than paternal grandfather. – Ouch! – John, IV

Previously, I showed you or your father a picture of my brother Jim who in it resembles your dad. Did I send it to your father or was that you?

This is Jim’s photo. I was reacting to the pictures I had seen on Facebook.

John, IV