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My Cousins – A Shared Journey

I Love MyCousins

I love MyCousins

Greetings,

My Cousins is an epistolary story told entirely in online communications.  Mostly told through email, there are Facebook and LinkedIn communications also shared. It is both about dialog and information sharing.  The dialog is what inspires the project to its eventual resting place with you.

It all begins with a Family Tree created for the Elcik and McClanahan surnames. A family record, however, is more than names, dates, and places.  It is about people – what they did, and why and the how.  This project is designed to record the history of our family and our ancestors forever.

The MyCousins project almost died in 2008 with a failed “family and friends” effort. It was to be a chronicle of favorite recipes and family history. And there were grand plans to revise and publish periodically.  We said at the time that there was a lot to do for this to be a success.  There was, and it wasn’t.   Even a modest request for help fell on deaf ears. Everyone was asked to contribute a favorite recipe and a page about themselves. The document produced was a lot of work and not particularly useful. Ultimately, it was used twice. Keri Lucas made inquires and received a copy. And Stacey Elcik used it as part of a school project.

Judith Lakkis, in 2011 tried to revive the Elcik family interest in genealogy research with a request for a DNA sample.  Her own research suggested a family connection, and she wanted to explore it further.  I was not ready for this. Not only did I not know much about the technology, but I was also too busy at work to give it much thought. The opportunity thus came and went.

In 2020, I took a fresh look at updating the family tree. This time it was different. My cousin Jack Gamache volunteered his wife Beth to help.  Beth had spent years working on building family trees. And she is passionate about her love for the work. The Elcik tree was the least developed, and we agreed to collaborate.  The process was much different this time. I was no longer working alone. Beth introduced others to the project and using social media, our numbers grew. The project includes 29 contributors and 25 subscribers as we go online.

Beth and I make a great team. First, we both are committed to ancestry research. For us, it is both important work and fun. Beth is outstanding with outreach both within the family and professionally. And I have the technology interests to support the work.

The ancestry research by Beth and I cover a lot of topics. But in the background is always the desire to solve the mysteries surrounding our immigration to America. Why did we immigrate? Why do we spell our surname Elcik? Are there other members of the family to find? Can we reach beyond our shores to Europe?  If answers are to be found, this is where we report them.

Yes, Elcik and McClanahan surnames were my starting point. I added: Adams, Brekke, Byras, DeRosa, Skillin, and Strand. And then Gamache and Lucas. There are now hundreds of surnames and still growing. Beth started with the Purinton surname. She has added Day, Gamache, and dozens more. For now, we are both happy with our separate trees. Who knows, someday there may be a need to combine contents into one World tree.  If, so it will be my job to handle the technology.

Dr. John P. Elcik, IV

Email: john@mycousins.org

 

I love MyCousins

Greetings,

The idea for turning our online communications into a book came about suddenly. I have a unique book my parents gave me on the genealogy of Durhan, Maine.  Both of us concluded that Lisbon Falls needed similar treatment.  This became even more pressing as we struggled with the mystery that connects the two communities. Eventually, we concluded that Lisbon Falls was too large a subject and focused on the mystery of Elcik immigration.

In the late 1800s, two Elcik families immigrated to America.  John Elsik came in 1891 and John Ilcik in 1905. Both families came from Austria-Hungary, spoke Slavic, and had a Catholic heritage in common. Both families have ties to Androscoggin County, Maine. John Elsik is John’s Great-grandfather with ties to Durham, Maine.  John Ilcik is the Great Grandfather of John Elcik in Rocky Point, New York. John initially referred to the Ilcik family as the New York Elcik’s.  In retrospect, we now believe his ancestral ties are also with Durham, Maine. Regardless, both John Elcik’s are steadfast in their belief that the families are related.  But how?

Beth Purinton Gamache

Email: beth@mycousins.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Keri Lucas Offered Help

Sat, 30 May 2009 9:09 pm

Keri,

We would be pleased to help. I remember your grandparents very fondly. The massive home that housed so many cousins, which they had in Old Orchard Beach, was very special to my brothers and me.

And while I didn’t get to see my cousins often because our Dad was in the Navy, I nevertheless do have unforgettable memories. Who are your Mom and Dad?

I have been working on a book which I call “My Cousins.” The book, because of graphics, is 7 MB; I don’t think AOL will let me send you a file this big. But if you will provide us a snail mail address, I’ll send you a copy.

As a software developer, I have used all the major players; the best software is Family Tree Maker by Ancestory.com. It simplifies research considerably.

We also have had both of our children: J.P. & Michelle’s DNA tested through Ancestry.com. Interesting technology.

And finally, I have been working on a family website. I have your grandmother’s obituary on the site. [This site no longer exists. Instead, the new URL is https://mycousins.org – Editor]

If you know how to work on websites, I’m willing to provide you access to add to them. Either way, it was good to hear from you.

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John

 

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DNA Match with Judith Spivak

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06-17-2011 through 09-11-2011

Judith Spivak – Hello, Our DNA matches. My name is Judith Spivak. I live in California, born in Connecticut, Please respond. It should be interesting.

John – Judith, My apologies for taking so long to respond. Your communication came at a time that a lot was going on. In addition to the ancestory.com website, I maintain a family website. It would be a pleasure to provide you access. I need your email address to do so. The DNA testing is something I did for my son and daughter: J.P. and Michelle. All of us and my wife Pam have a profile on LinkedIn. Go to www.linkedin.com and search for the last name, “Elcik.” We all live in Fort Myers, Florida. Warmest regards, John John P. Elcik, IV

Judith – John It is exciting that we have a 12/12 match. Have you had this match before? The Y chromosomes in my family are limited. My father had three daughters, his brother never married, and as we know of “no children.” My grandfather was Tomos Spivak from Poland, and he was an only son. He came to this country in 1911 as a single man, getting processed through Ellis Island. If you are interested in finding out the genetic connection, we would have to do more tests. My father died in November 2009 at the age of 91 yrs old. I still have DNA from a toothbrush and hearing aids. He was born and raised in Connecticut. I brought him to California to live with my husband and me when he could no longer take care of himself. If you are interested, then we could start the process. If not, then it is not a problem. Sincerely, Judy Spivak Lakkis

John – You are the first ever to contact us regarding any match. I don’t yet know what a 12/12 match is or what the next step would entail. I’ll have to investigate. My best family website is a SharePoint site that requires I provide permission for each email address that accesses it. If you offer yours, I’ll let you in. Meanwhile, www.elcik.org has information anyone can view. We have long thought that most of our extended family originated from Slovakia. 🙂 Warmest Regards, John johnelcik@msn.com or jelcik@edulytics.com

Judith – Well, a 12/12 match means that we are related to how far back depends on more testing. It means we share a common male ancestor. We need to do a 37 or even better, a 67 marker test. I will be sending in my father’s hearing aids to Family Tree DNA. FTDNA for short. It will take approx 6-8 weeks for results. DNA Solutions did the 12/12 ancestry markers in the first test. Then I plugged the markers in Ancestry.com, and your name was a perfect 12/12 match. You can send your DNA at Family Tree DNA also for the 37/67 marker test. It is where we shall begin to find out who our common male ancestor is. My email address is judylakkis@yahoo.com, as I forgot to give it to you last time. My grandfather originated from Poland, lived in the Carpathian Mountains and Austria. I can show pictures and tell you more. Sincerely Judy Lakkis

Judith – 06/26/11, Good News, The Paternal Test we had done has 46 Markers. Could you get retested with familytreeDNA.com? The reason being, if we get the same test with the same lab, we leave it to them to find our ancestors. They will not take another’s lab results. They start with the 12 markers, then upgrade. It is about making money, but I am very interested in finding out how we connect. And one more question, I thought you were from Fort Myers, not Wellington, Florida?? Who is John Paul Elcik, IV from Wellington, Florida?? [That is me.] I have sent my dad’s hearing aids, and I have paid extra for the extraction. Sincerely, Judy

Judith – 08/12/11, Hello John, I am still waiting for more Y markers from FTDNA. They are very slow. Just to let you know. I wanted the ancestry markers for a family reunion in September, but it seems that I have to accept disappointment. J. Lakkis

Judith – 09/03/11, Hi. I have checked with experts from FTDNA, and I did have to increase 2 of the markers to make it a marker standard with SMGF… DYS442 +5… and GATA H4 +1 point. That leaves three matching markers. My family would like to pay the $159.00 for you to do the 37 Y marker testing from FTDNA. We are very curious to see how we are related. Please send me your address, and I will purchase the swab kit. And we will soon know. Sincerely, Judy

 

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Outreach to Judy Lakkis

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Wed 7/1/2020 7:58 PM

Hello,

I know it’s been years (June 2011) since you reached out to me. Ouch!

I’m retired now and have time to experiment with DNA, etc. Are you still interested? Or did you get answers on your own?

I have set aside funds for research and can do another DNA test if you wish. Before I would do one, I would like to confirm that the Y-37 markers are where you are with your research? Or did you ever do the Y-111 markers? It would be a shame to do one test only to find you settled on something else. Also, do I correctly remember that you liked Family Tree DNA?

Warmest regards,

John

P.S. I have been working on a family website: https://mycousins.org. I use a membership plugin to control access for the privacy of living members. I can provide you a login/password if you like. ? Also, the Cousins Family Tree on Ancestory.com has been made public.

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Hearing Aids Useful for Ancestry Research

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Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 10:10 AM

Hi John,

FTDNA states that they don’t have a record of my father’s Y DNA, so I tried to search my old files (copies), and I must have disposed of them as FTDNA did. (see attachment).

My father passed in 2009, so I use his hearing aids to get the DNA. FTDNA wanted more money, so they deleted what I DID have. Too much!!!!!!!!!!!

Ten years ago, I was very interested, but now I have lost interest.

I checked my autosomal DNA, and your name did not appear, so I guess we are a very distant relationship.

Have fun now that you have the time.

DNA is fascinating

Best Wishes

Judy

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Have We Reached a Brick Wall?


Fri 7/17/2020 1:47 PM

John (NY),

Good day!

It will take more work by us to get this done. The weakest link, but I believe real, is the relations “once removed* discovered by the software. The stronger relationship through our grandparents is yet to be discovered. We may not be able to prove the later without visiting Europe or DNA testing. But the quest is half the fun. 🙂

Regards,

John, IV

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Listen Closely and Follow Up


Saturday, July 18, 2020, 7:29 AM

John (NY),

I just replayed an earlier discussion back in my mind. I don’t think I listened as well as I might have. And the fact that I am hard of hearing had nothing to do with it. I was preoccupied with my theories.

You said the Elcik name was changed from Ilcik to Elcik at Ellis Island. Was this done for your grandfather? If so, I’m chasing a wild goose. 🙂 I should not be looking for another Ilcik who immigrated; instead, if possible, I need to find your grandfather’s immigration document to satisfy my curiosity.

It is not the news I would have hoped for as the more individuals we place on the family tree, the greater the chances of linking our two families here in America. If the link occurs in Europe, we may not have the resources to prove what we both think about our families being related.

So the #1 question I have is, did your grandfather come through Ellis Island or did a Great/or Great-Great Grandparent? I think where I went wrong is believing that you are related to the John Elcik that immigrated 15 years after my Great Grandfather (John Elsik), who arrived in 1891. I have been working on the theory that that wave of immigration was followed by another one in 1906. My view might be wrong if John J. Ilcik (your grandfather) arrived through Elis island in the 1940-50s. It would mean there were at least three, not two, waves of Elcik immigrants. Wow!

Again, even if this is true, it is still likely that our ancestors are connected by relationships back in Austria/Hungry/Slovenia. While a DNA test might prove this, I think we can take this on faith.

John, IV

P.S. Aunt Gertrude’s cousin, who married Anna Gamache, not her brother. Too many people named Andrew, George, James, and John. Very easy to make a mistake, which is frustrating.

[John Ilcik immigrated 15 years after my Great Grandfather (John Elsik). From the beginning, I was trying to connect the right two individuals. Proving that was delayed by my not comprehending the timetable. Always listen closely and followup. The discovery of a family relationship between the two men is the next step. Can it be done? – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]