Wed 1/20/2021 9:39 AM
Beth,
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John, IV
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Category: – Dr. John Elcik, IV
George Evanisko
Thu 1/21/2021 1:52 PM
Beth,
I know Earl is looking for Anna Elcik’s obituary for us. However, I did find her husband after Eral was kind enough to remind me of his name.
Will you please share. Thanks in advance.
John, IV
 | Son of Mr. and Mrs. George Evanisko. Born in Austria-Hungary. www.findagrave.com |
Correction?
Thu 1/21/2021 2:03 PM
Beth,
I wanted to copy Earl and Charlie on this, but I don’t have their email addresses. Could you add them to the conversation? Please and thank you.
Charlie Hall reached out to me on Ancestry Messenger, reminding me of his association with you and Earl. Seeking to be helpful, he offered, “It looks like two Elcik brothers came to Durham, John and Joseph. On the page, you list them as siblings; you have Joseph’s daughters as siblings, also.”
After going back to the source document, I think Charlie is right. The obituary for Joseph P. Elcik [Sr.] upon which we relied does say the girls were John and Joseph’s sisters. But in seeking confirmation, the first two men identified as spouses belong to Joseph’s daughters.
Joseph Elcik’s daughters are:
- Elizabeth A. Elcik, married to Melnot M. Frank
- Marie E. Elcik, married to Joseph Dereche
And Mrs. George Evanisko, the third reference, while first identified as a sister, is later in the Obituary referenced accurately as his daughter:
- Anna Elcik (Mrs.) Evanisko
I was so excited by the assertion I forgot to verify.
If you agree, I believe we need to reconsider our conclusion that there were five siblings. Instead, there are just the two brothers.
What do you think?
John, IV
PS: I wanted to copy Earl and Charlie on this, but I don’t have their email addresses. Could you add them to the conversation? Please and thank you.
Elcik Family Correction
Fri 1/22/2021 6:22 AM
Beth, Earl, and Charlie,
Beth shared everyone’s email with me so I could share the following.
Charlie Hall reached out to me on Ancestry Messenger, reminding me of his association with Beth and Earl. Seeking to be helpful, he offered, “It looks like two Elcik brothers came to Durham, John and Joseph. On the page, you list them as siblings; you have Joseph’s daughters as siblings, also.”
After going back to the source document, I think Charlie is right. The obituary for Joseph P. Elcik [Sr.] upon which we relied DOES say the girls were John and Joseph’s sisters. But in seeking confirmation, the first two men identified as spouses belong to Joseph’s daughters.
Joseph Elcik’s daughters are:
- Elizabeth A. Elcik, married to Melnot M. Frank
- Marie E. Elcik, married to Joseph Dereche
And Mrs. George Evanisko, the third reference, while first identified as a sister, is later in the Obituary referenced accurately as his daughter:
- Anna Elcik (Mrs.) Evanisko
I was so excited by the assertion I forgot to verify.
If you agree, I believe we need to reconsider our conclusion that there were five siblings. Instead, there are just the two brothers.
Are we all in agreement? Have I overlooked anything?
John, IV
Re: George Evanisko
Fri 1/22/2021 6:30 AM
Thank you!
There is more to this story than I currently understand. But with your help, I’m confident we will figure it out.
John, IV
Re: Correction?
Sat 1/23/2021 1:48 PM
Beth,
My family is a genealogist’s nightmare. This is what I have, which I think answers your follow-up question.
It is a good thing we have a great team working on the Elcik family tree.
The obituary for Joseph P. Elcik was probably not written by a member of the family. I’m speculating now, but I can see it happening that in interviewing one of the daughters, the writer didn’t make the connection that she was talking about her sisters and not her fathers. 🤔
First, we need to remember that Joseph has a brother, my grandfather. Second, we need to go back to one of my earliest posts. As part of my evidence for their being brothers, I reported on the practice during that time in American history of brothers using the same given names for their children. In this case, the Elcik brothers did it and hence the confusion:
Thus, there are two Elizabeth Annie Elcik’s born just a year apart.
Elizabeth Annie Elcik (1905-1988) is the daughter of John P. Elcik, Sr. (1886-1941) and Maria Anna Pelcarsky (1870-1936). She married twice. First to Joseph Louis Turcott (1901) and second to Carroll Charles Small (1900-1956). She had five children with Charles.
Elizabeth Annie Elcik (1904-1947) is the daughter of Joseph P. Elcik (1875-1938) and Elizabeth Balnick (1870-1934). She married Melnot Frank. I don’t think they had any children.
Undoubtedly, they played together. So, who was Elizabeth, and who was Annie? Or did they use Beth, Betsie, or Ann, Ana? Inquiring minds want to know. Lol.
And that, as they say, is my story, and I’m stuck with it. Or did I miss something?
John, IV
P.S. I forgot to mention that John Sr’s daughter is the twin of his daughter Annie. And that Annie is the Annie that married George Francis Karkos.
cc: Earl, Charlie
Re: Correction?
Sat 1/23/2021 4:23 PM
Charlie,
Thanks, Charlie. I had forgotten about Thankful. Beth did share that with me early in our journey down ancestry lane. Lol.
I can better appreciate Beth’s situation after this.
Again, I really appreciate your help and supportiveness.
Warmest regards,
John, IV