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A Special Photo

Burus family

Thu 9/10/2020 3:25 AM

Beth,

This is the 3rd email I sent Nancy. I should have just copied you at the same time. I’m still a work in progress.

John, IV

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From: Dr. John Elcik <johnelcik@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 4:38 AM
To: Nancy Kashmer <lanaka@comcast.net>
Subject: A Special Photo

Nancy,

This is one of my favorite photos as it matches the individuals surveyed in the 1910 U.S. Federal Census.

The Elcik family in 1910 top row from left to right: John P. Elcik, Jr.; Michael Elcik, and Andrew Elcik. Bottom row from left to right are Mary (Dutko) Elcik, Elizabeth (Small) Elcik, John P. Elcik, Sr.; Mary (Pelcarsky) Elcik; Susan (Kiszonak) Elcik; and Annie (Karkos) Elcik. [Elizabeth & Annie are twins]

I’m hoping that you will have more exact information on where in Europe our families came from.  I have hit the “brick wall” when it comes to locating anyone further back in history than John Elsik (Sr.). I also have a theory about his having a brother named Joseph to prove.

Cousin Johnny

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Captain Elcik, Creek Chief

Life Story


Mon 9/14/2020 3:40 AM

Cousin Nancy,

Without any evidence other than a common surname, I am willing to accept Captain Elcik as an ancestor. What do you think?

John, IV

ALECK, CAPTAIN, or Captain Elcik, Creek Chief.–The few general facts of the early life of the Lower Creek chief, as given by himself, are that he had lived so long among the white people that he looked upon himself as much a white man as a red man; that the white people had given him the name he bore, Captain Aleck, and that he had always lived in friendship with the English.

Apart from these statements, and evidence of Captain Aleck’s association with white people is the letter A, the first letter of Aleck, which he adopted as his mark in signing his name. That Captain Aleck had always been a true friend of the English is borne out by all the recorded facts extant of his history. He showed his loyalty by his actions. The first notice of him is in 1754, when all things pointed to rupture between England and France and between England and Spain. On November 11, accompanied by a few followers, he called on Governor John Reynolds in council in Savannah and informed him that the French had persuaded some of the Upper Creeks to come to Mobile and receive presents. The Spaniards had done likewise in persuading some of the Lower Creeks to come to Pensacola for the same purpose. That he had not yet learned the objects of the French and Spaniards in these matters, but if he succeeded in doing so, he would inform the Governor. Captain Aleck’s talk agreed with the reports that had already come to the ears of the Governor that the French and Spaniards were very busy in endeavoring to win the Creeks over to their respective interests. Some presents were the next day presented to Captain Aleck and his followers, with which they were well pleased.

On May 11, 1757, Captain Aleck and his brother Will, accompanied by twelve men and women, had a talk with Governor Ellis in the council chamber in Savannah. After a conversation on several topics, the Governor told Captain Aleck that the Creeks should join no party to the prejudice of the English, to which Captain Aleck gave his full consent. The Governor then expatiated largely upon the cruelties of the French in all their proceedings. He instanced a recent attempt by them to induce the Choctaws and Cherokees to exterminate the Chickasaws, which attempt proceeded solely from this desire to get possession of the lands of the Chickasaws. That the Great King expected the Creeks to join the English and assist them in driving back the French, who were daily encroaching on the Indians’ lands, and who, if they should grow stranger, would treat the Creeks as they had lately tried to treat the Chickasaws. On the contrary, the English had honestly paid for the lands which they got from the Indians. But the policy of the French was to become masters of the Indians’ lands, after murdering the Indian inhabitants, and their present designs were either to cut the Indians off entirely or to reduce them, their wives and children, to a state of slavers. The English, on the other hand, were a people fond of trade and sent their ships laden with merchandise to all parts of the world; that wherever they went, their study was to make people free and happy; and when they talked, their tongues and hearts went fast together; that the Great King showed the love, he bore his red children by presents and by frequent and friendly talks.

The French, too, gave presents, but these presents, like the rum, drank by the Indians, however sweet it might be at first, always made them sick in the end. After other remarks, by no means complimentary to the French, the Governor closed his talk by saying that every Indian who went to war against the French should receive for every French scalp a reward equal in value to eight pounds of deer skins; and for a French prisoner a reward equal in value to sixteen pounds of deer skins, which he would much rather pay for than the scalps. For, although the English were known to be warriors, it was likewise known that they took no pleasure in shedding human blood. Captain Aleck in reply said that the Governor’s talk was very true and just, that he had come down to hear a good talk and not for presents, and so was not disappointed; that his brother would set off to the nation in a few days, and there was a beloved day approaching and his brother there would declare this talk before all the people. No one could say that he had never heard it. Captain Aleck then applied for a grant of a piece of land or small island on which he was settled, but as he could not satisfactorily give its location, the consideration of his request was postponed, but he was told that if the land was vacant, or if the proprietor of it would accept other land in its place, he should have a grant for it. This matter settled, the Governor invited Captain Aleck and his brother to dine with him.

Nothing further is on record about Captain Aleck until January, 1763, when he sought the good offices of Governor James Wright to recover his wife, who had been stolen from him by some Yuchee Indians and carried into the province of South Carolina. Governor Wright wrote to Governor Boone of South Carolina desiring him to use every effort to securer the return of Captain Aleck’s wife.

Captain Aleck was present as Speaker of the Upper and the Lower Creeks at the Great Congress in Augusta in November, 1763. On one occasion during the six days in which the Congress was in session he spoke of the frequent stealing of horses by white people and Indians and proposed that some means should be adopted to prevent it for the future. These words speak high for Captain Aleck’s desire for peace and order on the frontier, the crime of horse stealing being promotive of frequent murders and killings by both white people and Indians, often culminating in wars. Captain Aleck also attended the Pensacola Congress in May, 1765. During its six days sessions he made several appropriate talks and was one of the signers of the treaty. A part of Captain Stuart’s talk on May 30 to one of Captain Aleck’s is here given as it bears witness to the moral worth of the Muscogee chief: “I am glad to find you in the same good disposition in which I left you at Augusta, of which you have given so many proofs, during the course of your life; the white people must always put a value on your friendship, as the Governor and I ever will. We are very sensible of the effect and influence your talks have had on your nation and we desire you may continue them.’ All the facts preserved in historic records, relative to Captain Aleck are favorable to his character as a man and a leader of his people.

The last-historical notice of Captain Aleck occurs January 10, 1768. There having been a disagreement between the Georgians and the Creeks with regard to the boundary line which separated the two, on that day, Governor Wright and Captain Aleck, representing the Creek Confederacy, came to an agreement that the dividing line should “commence at the Ogeechee river where the lower trading path leading from Mount Pleasant on Savannah river to the Lower Creek Nation crosses the said river Ogeechee, and thence in a straight line cross the country to that part of the river Alatamaha opposite to the entrance or mouth of a certain Creek on the south side of the said river Alatamaha commonly called Fen-hollow or Turkey Creek, and that the line should be thence continued from the mouth of the said Creek across the Country and in a southwest course to the St. Mary’s river, so as to reach it as far up as the tide flows or swells.”

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmamcrk4/crkchf1.html

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Are You an Author?

Tue 9/15/2020 9:31 PM

John,

I believe you’re an author even if you haven’t “published” any books. I talked to Eugene Elcik on the phone about his family, and his father is Andrew Elcik, your grandfather, John P Elcik’s brother. (I’m thinking you know that.) When I talked to him, he told me he’s currently writing a second book on Shiloh. I read the first one very interesting. I plan to call him again and ask him if he remembers the Durham Elciks.

I’m still working on the identity of the Karkos photo you sent me. I sent it to Pam Karkos Lizotte, and she’ll show it to her father, George Karkos. I haven’t heard back from her. I have a neighbor I talked to about the picture, hoping he may know some of them. I also gave two copies of the image to a friend of ours, John Piela, who owns Lisbon Fuel. He’s 82, still working, and came to our house to service our oil tank. We were making the Loksa, and he said his mother used to make it, and he ate it as fast as she could make it. He started talking in Slovak and didn’t think anyone knew how to make Loksa anymore. I told him I learned how to make it from Jack’s mom (which is true), and she was Slovak. He said his family would put sugar on it or maple syrup. We gave him a piece, and he loved it!!

If you and Bill Cizmar became friends, I know you’d have lots in common. He loves Ancestry and spends most of his time doing all kinds of research there. He knows way more about it than I do and is one of my good friends at the Historical Society. He lives in CA with his wife. Bill is from Lisbon and knows lots of Lisbon history. If you’ve ever seen Lisbon Maine Ancestors in the HINTS, that’s him. He researched all the people born in Lisbon and created that site. He and his wife (a Durham native) come to Maine every summer, and he comes to the Historical Society every Thursday, which is the only day we’re open. I’ve mentioned your name to him in our emails about our working on Ancestry together—just a little history.

I’ll keep working on the identity of the people in the Karkos picture. Nothing yet, but I’m curious.

Beth

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Information Sharing

Wed 9/16/2020 4:18 AM

Beth,

Yes, I knew Andrew Elcik is my grandfather’s brother.

But I didn’t know that his son was Eugene Elcik. Kudos for you! Thanks for solving another mystery.

Now I really must read some of Eugene’s work. This second book on Shilo will be his seventh book overall, which reminds me of the distinction I should have made between author and writer. The author gets paid for writing, so Eugene is a real author. I like to write.

Thank you also for sharing the Karkos photo with Pam Karkos Lizotte. I think her father, George Karkos, is the key to us learning a great deal more. I’m also encouraged that you are sharing the photo with others. I’m reminded of the old saying, “don’t put all your eggs in one basket.” As a frequent tilter at windmills, I like that this saying appears in Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes (1615). Could we be related? Unlikely.

I’m curious about to which John P. Elcik Bill Cizmar reached out. If it was me, I missed it. Should I try to contact him? As an introvert, that isn’t easy for me, but It does appear we have lots in common. Do you know the difference between an introvert and an extrovert? It has nothing to do with outward behavior. I, as an introvert, and my wife, as an extrovert, can attend the same party and both be outgoing and have a great time. When we get home, I will be tired and need rest, while Pam is energized and ready to do it again. Pam is an extrovert. I’m a wannabe.

Please do keep working on the identity of the people in the Karkos picture. Also, I think you should share with Nancy what you are doing for us with your many contacts. I think she is very interested. One can learn a lot more by talking directly with them. I see another phone call in my future, just to put you on notice that I will surprise you and Jack someday.

How are you doing with the other mystery I suggested to you? Is there a second Purinton contact within our families? “Curiosity killed the cat; satisfaction brought it back.” Did you know that Stephen King used the cat saying in one of his books? Do you know which one? Being a friend of his, I expect you to know this without using Google. ?

John, IV

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Lisbon Falls and Moxie


Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 1:41 PM

Beth,

My brothers and I favored the competition: Luiggi’s Pizzeria in Lewiston. Of course, we went there for Italian subs every time we came to Maine. I think they also served pizza. I never tried it. ? I never mess with the best. I go to Longhorns for chicken. For a decade, I would always choose their Chicken Fingers with Prairie Dust. Lately, I order Chicken Parmesan. I’m told they have great steaks. I will never know.

All this talk of food, particularly Moxie and Lokše, is killing me.

And as hard as it is for me to believe it, until a few weeks ago, I didn’t know there was a connection between Moxie and Lisbon Falls. Who knew? I used to order it online to prove to my friends that such an elixir, predating Coke, existed.

I told Nancy during our call that I’m always the last to know.

About a year ago, I needed help for a homeless guy who passed out on the sidewalk near a busy road. To get help, I went into a nearby business to ask someone to call 911 for me, which they did. Later that day I’m sharing the experience with Pam and Michelle, and they want to know why I didn’t use my cell phone. My response: “I thought the answer should be obvious; you can’t call 911 from a cell phone. Isn’t that why we keep our landline?” Who knew they fixed that problem? No one told me. [The worst part is the fix has been around for years. Ouch!]

Did you know that Jack’s parents were among the last people in the country to have a party phone line? True. Ask Jack.

John, IV

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MyHeritage Discoveries

Sat 9/19/2020 6:31 PM

Hi John,‎

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The Discovery is for Charles Harry Purrington.

  • Charles Harry Purrington (1860 – 1912)
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LinkedIn Chat – Joseph Elcik and John Elcik

September 20, 2020, 11:47 AM

Joseph – As my father is James Elcik and was the middle child, Jack (John) passed away last year, and his younger brother Richard passed several years ago. Mother was Rose, and Father was Joseph Elcik. Unusual for myself, my mother is Slovakian and even more remarkable, my wife is 3/4 Slovakian. Somewhere with either my father or aunt is an Elcik family tree book. I have only seen it once. If I do come across, perhaps I can copy and send out.

John – I just researched James and his brother John for my only other New York Contact.

Joseph – James is my father, and John (Jack) was my uncle. Joseph Elcik was my grandfather..from Maine by way of Brooklyn.

John – John J. Elcik (1931) was getting confused with John J. Elcik (1943). John J. of Rocky Point, who recently passed.

Joseph – Sorry, do have to run to a meeting. I do have your email and will try to get you the family tree.

Joseph – John J. was a retired police officer if my memory serves.

John – May I have your email address?

Joseph – Yes, for personal use… kikjo@aol.com.

John – Wonderful