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Are John and Joseph Elcik Brothers?

Tue 10/13/2020 3:04 PM
Bill,
The attached story “Are John and Joseph Elcik Brothers?” and supporting documentation may be of interest.  It is a more detailed examination of the significance of using the Elcik vs. Elsik surname in further research.
Also, keep in mind that the Ilcik surname is also in play if there is a family connection between the Lisbon Falls and Durham Elcik’s. The encouraging note here is that at least one Durham family has used the Elsik surname.
Regards,
John, IV
10/21/2020 Are John and Joseph Elsik Brothers?

The Story:

I think I have proof that John Elcik (Elsik), Sr., my great-grandfather, had a younger brother Joseph.
John Elsik (1866-1941) was married to Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936). John immigrated to America in 1891, and Mary immigrated in 1896. They had 7 children: John Jr (1896), Michael Joseph (1897), Mary Anna (1899), Andrew (1902), Annie (1905), Elizabeth (1905), and Susan M. (1910). Joseph Elcik (1871-1938) was married to Elizabeth Balnick (1871-1934). Joseph followed ten years later in 1901 at the age of 30. They had 3 children: Annie (1902), Lizzie (1905), and Mary (1908).
If so, this answers the question I put on the research agenda about the possibility of siblings. There was at least one.
My evidence is in the 1910 United States Federal Census:
  • The two men (Heads of Households) are just three years apart in age. John is 42 and Joseph 39.
  • Both immigrated from Austria.
  • Both settled in Durham, Androscoggin, Maine.
  • But the clincher for me is that both men spell our surname “Elsik” for themselves while spelling their children’s names “Elcik.” This can’t be a coincidence.

10 years are separating their immigration to America. John immigrated in 1891 at the age of 23 and Joseph in 1901 at the age of 30. All seven of John’s and all three of Joseph’s children were born in Androscoggin County, Maine.
Both men used the same given names for their three daughters. They must have had middle names or nicknames as they surely played together. The population of Androscoggin County in 1910 was 59,822 (26,247 in Lewiston, 4,116 in Lisbon, and 1,625 in Durham) John, IV

P.S. It has been almost six weeks since this was posted. Today, I found this item on a genealogy site, which bolsters my argument that John and Joseph were brothers. John Paul Elcik, IV – Editor
“In other cases, brothers who lived near each other would sometimes give their children the same first names. The cousins might have gone by nicknames or middle names to avoid confusion during their lifetimes. It becomes more di

“In other cases, brothers who lived near each other would sometimes give their children the same first names. The cousins might have gone by nicknames or middle names to avoid confusion during their lifetimes. It becomes more difficult 100 years later for a genealogist looking to match the right people to the right spots on a family tree.”

 

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Re: Doctors Appointments

 
Wed 10/14/2020 5:13 PM
 
John, IV,
 
My doctor’s appointments went well.  I’m waiting for the hospital to schedule a stress test my cardiologist recommended.  Blood pressure, Blood work was all good, but there’s a gray area where they need to find out why I’m having shortness of breath after walking, going up a flight of stairs, etc.  We’re not sure if it’s coming from my neck or is a cardio issue.  We need to rule that out at this point.
 
I start PT tomorrow and am hoping that’ll help.  I’ve done this in the past, and it always does.  I’m anxious to get started.
 
I’m fine helping you with the eBook.  I wish we could figure out the Elcik family, especially if the Durham and Lisbon Falls Elciks are related somehow and if John and Joseph are brothers.  When I talked to Gene Elcik today, he said at the time the Slovak/Czechs began migrating to this country, Hitler was in power, and all those records were destroyed.  That’s why there aren’t any records available.  I just remembered someone else who may be able to help.  Her name is Patsy Armstrong (married name).  Her grandmother was Mary Elcik, your grandfather John’s sister.  Mary married Mike Dutko.  They had 3 children, Helen, Regina, and Mary.  Patsy’s mother was Helen.  She lives down the st from us.  I called her way back when about the Elcik family.  She may know the connection to Paul Joseph Elcik Sr, Paul Joseph Elcik Jr., and Mary A Elcik (not your grandfather’s sister Mary.)  Have I told you before that I drive myself “CRAZY” with this stuff!!!!
 
I also need to finish my Purinton/Day/Goddard family tree on Family Tree Maker.  I want to print it, but I am not totally familiar with how I want to do that.  I was working on that when we connected, and I went back to the Elcik/Byras/Gamache trees.  I had done a lot of that before we got involved, but I DO want to finish.  I get bogged down with technology, and then frustration sets in.  
 
If only I were as smart as you!!
 
Beth
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Eugene Elcik, Novelist with a Maine flavor!

Sat 10/17/2020 3:21 PM
My father, Andrew, J; my brother, Andrew W. II; his son Andrew Elciks III. (all deceased)
Keep up the SEARCH,
Gene
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Re: Eugene Elcik, Novelist with a Maine flavor!

Sat 10/17/2020 5:52 PM

Gene,

It is a pleasure to hear from you. Not only are you not the only Elcik remaining in this world; we are thriving under different but related surnames: Elcik, Elick, Elsik, and Ilcik.  I’ve attached a document I wrote called, “Why we Spell Our Surname Elcik ” which I hope you will enjoy. 

The other two documents are summaries of our research. 
 
Thank you for your historical updates.  Your explanation of the Czech Republic makes me marginally feel better about my own failure to locate details about the Elcik family in Europe.  I’m still trying. ?
 
Warmest regards,
 
John, IV
 
P.S. You guested right; my degree is an Ed.D. for Higher Education Administration.  My career was as a marketing executive for companies selling administrative software for the operation of colleges and universities. 
 
P.P.S. I hear you are writing another book. Keep on WRITING. 
 
Are John and Joseph Elsik Brothers.pdf
Summary of Research.pdf
Why We Spell Our Surname as Elcik.pdf
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Family Tree Maker

Sat 10/17/2020 9:00 PM
John, IV
I want to print my Purinton/Goddard/Day family tree to have a hard copy to give to the Lisbon Historical Society and my brothers and children.  I also want to do one for the Elcik/Byras/Gamache family as well.
There are several 3 ring binders at the Historical Society with family histories, including pictures, stories, etc. 
 
There are several choices for doing that on Family Tree Maker, and I need to decide what I want to do.  I got sidetracked with our eBook project (which is ok because I love doing it), and I want to finish what I started.  
 
I haven’t been sleeping well at all; fatigue is setting in and making it difficult for me to concentrate.  I’m not complaining want you to know why I haven’t responded to some of your emails.  Now that Gene Elcik and I got together the other day, I feel much better. 
I have every intention to help with the eBook and want it to be a success. We will persevere!!
Beth
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Life Stories

 
 
Mon 10/19/2020 3:47 PM
 
John, IV,
 
These all sound good to me.  I hope Gene Elcik will contribute some stories.  He told about Michael, your grandfather’s brother, being buried in Lisbon Falls.  His daughter lives in NJ (at least I think that’s what he said), and she had his casket exhumed and sent to NJ so he could be near her.  Evidently, he died young.  I’m sure there are others he can share with us.

 
Beth
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JP’s Wedding

Mon 11/2/2020 7:56 AM

Beth,

It is official. J.P. and Ana were married yesterday in a micro-wedding held in a gorgeous glass room on the edge of the natural habitat in Bonita Springs.
After the ceremony, we had the pleasure of feeding flamingos and could have fed alligators too. We opted to go to the married couple’s home for cake and refreshments. I’m sure that we will go back to the habitat as it is a great place to visit and close by.
More details and “official” pictures will be on the flash drive, but for now, I have joyfully added to JP’s record on Ancestry.com.
Wife: Ana Kristine Del Moral
Her father: Luis Miguel Del Moral, Jr.
Her mother: Maria Suarez
Her brother: Luis Miguel Del Moral, III
John, IV