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Durham and Lisbon Falls

Sat 8/15/2020 11:47 PM
 
The Durham and Lisbon Falls Elcik families make sense to me.  I do understand who you’re talking about (well most of the time).  It appears that most of the Durham Elcik children moved to New York except for George.  It gets confusing when we’re talking about Andrew Elcik because there are 2 of them, one in Lisbon Falls and one in Durham plus the Lisbon Falls Andrew had 2 sons, Eugene and ANDREW!!
 
You were correct when you said there are too many Johns and Andrews and now you’re communicating with Joseph Elcik and there was a Durham Joseph!!   No wonder I get confused!!! 
 
The same is true for the Byras family, several Johns, Josephs, Andrews, and Marys.  Thank goodness their last name is different.  People weren’t very creative in those days I guess, although they may have wanted to name sons the same name as the father to carry on the family name, kinda like your great-great-grandfather, great grandfather, father, you and your son!!!  Must be in the genes!!!!!
 
In my family, it was Humphrey, Thankful, John, George, and Nathaniel.  An occasional Hepzibah and Hezekiah names were thrown into the mix.  That was a nightmare for me and I spent many sleepless nights trying to figure all that out!!!  Who in the world would name a child Hepzibah or Hezekiah?????  Again, must be in the genes.
 
Here I go, rambling on when I need to go to bed.  It’s past my bedtime!!
 
Beth
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Durham Book

The original book was published in 1899 and had been out of print for decades. It was published again in 1979 with only 500 copies. My parents were able to obtain several copies at that time. It was a Christmas gift from my parents that year. In my mother’s handwriting, it says “Jack and Beth, Christmas 1979 from mom and dad.” I cherish it. There are many wonderful “old” pictures of residents in the book that I love.

I also have a book “Vital Records of Durham, Maine” that I bought from the Maine Genealogical Society. This book has been a tremendous help with birth and death records of the Days and Goddards.

If only there was one for the Elciks, we’d be all set!!!

I may have won this round but you’ve won many more than me but then “who’s counting”??

Beth

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Cousin George?


On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, at 4:37 AM

Beth,

I’m providing the full names and dates of the individuals relevant to my question.

  • Anna Aurora Eva Gamache 1914-1998: Jack’s Aunt
  • George Michael Elcik (Ilcik) 1915-1977; Jack’s Uncle
  • My Aunt Gertrude Elcik Gamache 1921-2002; Jack’s Mom
  • My Uncle Norman Philip Gamache 1920-2013; Jack’s Dad

1. We know that Anna Eva Gamache and Norman Philip Gamache are siblings.

2. I cannot confirm Jack’s belief that George Michael Elcik (Ilcik) and My Aunt Gertrude were cousins. For him to be a 1st cousin, he would have to be a brother to John Elcik, Jr., which he isn’t. I believe that George was thought of as a cousin by Aunt Gertrude based on his Lisbon Falls’ proximity and the common surname. But unless we can identify the person that connects George with Aunt Gertrude, I think we need to conclude George is one of the “Durhan” Elcik’s and not a direct relation. I know my understanding of cousins once removed and second cousins are poor, so I used the relationship calculator in RootsMagic7. It could not find a relationship for us.

3. This does not change the fact the Anna and George’s marriage represents the only family link we currently have with the “Durham” Elcik’s.

Do you agree?

John, IV

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Re: Family Tree Delay

Sat 8/22/2020 2:24 PM

John, IV,

Yes, absolutely, your need to help your son. I’ve been so busy the last few days and haven’t had a chance to look at email and am just now trying to catch up.

I do have some good news. I was able to find out where Bob Elcik, George’s son, is living. He and his wife Peggy are living in PA. They’ve moved a few times over the last several years but are back in PA now. If you remember, Bob’s father, George, married Jack’s father’s sister Anna Gamache.

I was able to get his phone# and email address. Jack called him yesterday, and we talked to them for about 1 1/2 hours They were so happy to hear from Jack, and we plan to stay in touch. That’s good news. The bad news, he doesn’t know anything about his grandfather’s family, which is the Durham John P. Elcik, or Ilick if you will. He does remember going to Durham with his dad and Jack and his dad to make Kielbasa.

PLEASE tell Pam how much I appreciate the card she sent me. It means a lot to me. I’m feeling much better now, especially knowing there’s no cancer.

I’m sure you’ll be a BIG help to JP. I will now proceed to catch up on the last 2 days of emails.

Beth

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Re: Family Tree Delay

Sat 8/22/2020 5:47 PM

John, IV,

My head is spinning, thinking of all you have to do. I know how much you LOVE doing this “stuff,” and good luck helping JP. I know you CAN DO THIS!!! The shoulder and neck pain is another story for sure!!

I just sent an email to a friend of mine who was in high school with Jack (not the same class.) He’s the one who helped me find Bob Elcik, son of the Durham George Elcik. He has a Lisbon Maine Ancestry page documenting everyone who was born and lived in the town of Lisbon. His exact words to me were: “the Elciks are the most unfiguroutable family in Lisbon Falls.” I laughed when I read that and proceeded to tell him how you and I have been working on this “project” for several weeks now.

My point is, I had to look up each individual with birthdates, death dates, etc. to try and clarify which John P. Elcik belongs to the correct family. He also mentioned there are too many Johns, Andrews, Marys, and Marys married to Pauls. That took me a couple of hrs. Because I have CRS: Can’t Remember Shit!!! Jack came up with that a long time ago, and now it’s an official medical diagnosis because everyone we know has it, and it’s REAL!!!

Take Care and stay in touch.

Beth