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What is a Durham Elcik?

 
Wed 10/28/2020 8:17 PM
 
Beth,

 
I’m going to recommend that we do not use location to describe the differences between the two Elcik families immigrated to America.
 
I started by using New York as a description for John Elcik in Rocky Point, New York, and later we both changed that to Durham Elcik’s to reflect the common origins in Maine. Because of my father and his siblings, I always self-identified with Lisbon Falls. 
 
After a closer look, it would appear that both Elcik families immigrated to Durham, Maine, and are Durham Elcik’s.  John Elsik immigrated in 1891 and Mary Pelcarsky in 1896. John Ilcik immigrated in 1905 and Mary Maria Yonek a year later in 1906. Durham was a relatively small community of 1,625 people in 1910 and, by 1920, the population had shrunk to 1,144 people.
 
John Elsik, Sr. (1866-1941), and Mary Pelcarsky (1870-1936) were born in Austria and died in Lewiston, Maine. At least six of their seven children were born in Durham, Maine.
  • 1886 John Elcik, Jr.
  • 1897 Michael Joseph Elcik
  • 1899 Mary Anna Elcik
  • 1901 Andrew John Elcik
  • 1905 Annie Elcik
  • 1905 Elizabeth Elcik
  • 1910 Susan M. Elcik (location unknown)
John Ilcik (1886-1962) and Mary Maria Jonek (1887-1951) were born in Slovakia and Austria.  Both died in Lewiston, Maine. All five of their children were born in Durhan, Maine.
  • 1907 Joseph Elcik
  • 1908 John Ilcik, Jr.
  • 1911 Andrew John Elcik
  • 1915 George Michael Elcik
  • 1919 Marie E. Elcik
Both men and their wives died in Lewiston, Maine.
 
Subsequently, both families’ paths would take them in different geographic directions.
 
The offspring of John Elsik would have their children in Libson Falls, Maine. John Elcik, Jr.’s wife and all six of their children would be born in Lisbon Falls.
 
The offspring of John Ilcik would have their children in New York. The first in 1931 is John Joseph Elcik, the son of Joseph Elcik.
 
John Ilcik’s brother Paul Joseph Ilcik, Sr. (1896-1970) and his wife Mary A. Fabian (1891-1978) would have two children
  • 1915 Paul Joseph Elcik, Jr. (Durham)
  • 1917 Mary A. Elcik (Lisbon Falls)
Based on this new information, I find it less confusing if I refer to each family as the descendants of John Elsik or John Ilcik. John Elsik was the family that relocated to Lisbon Falls and John Ilcik, the family that relocated to New York. 
 
Both families would move on to other locations. At one point, we each had family in Butler County, Ohio. Pam and I lived in Fairfield, Ohio; simultaneously, Jacqueline Elcik lived close by. A piece of mail belonging to Jacqueline was delivered to my house by mistake when my mother, formerly Jacqueline Elcik, now Jacqueline Skillin, lived with us. It was a check which we deposited by honest mistake. Ouch!
 
That was easy, wasn’t it? Lol.
 
John Elcik, IV
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Re: What Are Durham Elcik’s

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Re: Question

 
Sat 11/28/2020 11:31 PM
 
John, IV
 
Sorry for my delayed response.  Jack had gallbladder issues and spent a couple of days in the hospital, resulting in its removal.  That, plus Thanksgiving and his being in the hospital during that time, has set me back a bit.  I didn’t turn my computer on until today and am finally catching up on emails, etc.  He’s doing much better but will take a few weeks to recover.  November hasn’t been a good month for us, and we’re hoping for no more hospital visits for a long, long, longggggg time.

 
I’m not sure where to start looking for your great grandfather’s and grandmother’s gravesites.  I’ve walked through St. Cyril and Mt. Calvary cemeteries a few times and don’t remember seeing their names anywhere.  There’s another cemetery, Hillside, in town.  I just looked for their names at Hillside with no results found, so that’s a dead end.  I don’t know the names of all the cemeteries in Durham, but Google will know.  I don’t have a problem looking for their gravestones if I know where they are.  I can ask my HS friend for help with this.  He may even be able to find an obituary.  I’ll do that and get back to you.
 
You’re not driving me crazy any more than I drive YOU crazy.  It seems to be what we do best.  This Ancestry stuff isn’t for the faint at heart!!
 
Beth
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Re: Status Updates

 
 
Sat 12/5/2020 5:50 PM
 
John, IV,
 
I meant to correct my mistake about Joseph Kinney.  He was Sandra Kinney Eck’s daughter, NOT her brother.  

 
When you read the obits I sent you, you’ll see that John P Ilcik/Elcik and Mary Jonek had 5 children, which we already know, Joseph, Andrew, George (who married Jack’s Aunt Anna), Michael and Mary Elcik King.  John’s obit says he had a brother Paul, whom I believe to be the same Paul who married Mary Fabian, Paul Sr.  Paul Jr. married Gertrude Fournier.  This is the Durham John P Elcik family.  Mary Fabian’s obit states she married Paul Elcik, and they had a son Paul.  This may be repetitive, but the more I say and write it, the better I understand it.  That’s just how my brain works!!!
 
If only we could connect the Durham Elcik’s to our Elcik’s other than through marriage.  It’s frustrating!!!
 
Beth
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Outreach

Thu 12/17/2020 11:50 AM

Beth,

I text messaged this to several people. I included modified versions for Bill Cizmar and Robert Elcik.
John, IV
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I have just discovered the messaging feature here at Ancestry.com.  Imagine my delight that 14 people have connections of potential interest regarding my great-grandfather John Paul Elcik. I am John Paul Elcik, IV and I have a son who also bears this name whom we call “JP.”

My research shows two different families from Europe settled in the late 1800s in Androscoggin County, Maine. Both are Slovak with a Catholic heritage, and both initially settled in Durham, Maine.  I am sharing the following with everyone as I believe a lot of confusion exists regarding the surname Elcik.
The “Elsik” family which I am descended begins with John Paul Elcik (Elsik), and the first documented reference is the United States Federal Census 1910.  I have a cherished photo of the family from that time period I would be happy to share.
  • John Elsik (1866-1941) was married to Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936). John immigrated to America in 1891, and Mary immigrated in 1896. I have some evidence that he had a brother, Joseph.
My grandfather in the 1910 census spells his, and only his surname as Elsik. Everyone else uses Elcik spelling.
The Ilcik family, which is a different family, maybe related, but the proof of that does not yet exist.  When they arrived in America at Ellis Island, their surname was changed from Ilcik to Elcik. There is a family relationship to us through marriage, but it is not a bloodline relationship.
  • John Ilcik (1886-1982) was married to Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated to America in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906.
I have written several documents on the Elcik family explaining all this in some detail.  I address the issues of spelling: Elcik, Ilcik, Elcik, Elick. These documents and the 1910 family photo are available to all who express interest.  Please email me with your request.
I also have a list of inquiries that are ongoing related to the Elsik and Ilcik families.  Those questions also will be shared. Will you be the one with answers?
Have I have provided enough detail that you want to share information?  I hope so. I am currently writing an eBook called MyCousins with Beth Gamache. Beth is the wife of my 1st Cousin, Jack.  They live in Lisbon Falls, Maine, which I have always viewed as my “home” town without ever having lived there. Auntie Gertrude and Uncle Norman lived at 45 Davis Street, and it is where my family always returned to after living in Guam, Japan, and the Philippines. If you guessed my brothers and I lived in a military family, you would have been right; Dad was in the U.S. Navy.
Warmest regards,
John, IV
Dr. John P. Elcik, Ed.D.
15117 Cloverdale Drive
Fort Myers, FL 33919
Email: johnelcik@msn.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jelcik
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnelcik/
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Re: FYI

 
Sat 12/19/2020 11:44 PM
 

John,

Yes, I’ve thought about being a volunteer for FindAGrave at Hillside.  Unfortunately, there’s a lady in Durham who has posted many of them, and I believe I wouldn’t be able to do that, at least that’s what Earl at the HS has told me.  Not only that, it’s a huge cemetery, one I haven’t walked entirely, and it would take a long time to take all the pictures.  I have all I can do to take family pictures.  I’d love to do it, but I can’t justify doing so at this time.  
Yes, I noticed the 3 graves that need the “Beth” touch.  That, too, will have to wait until Spring.  Not only that, I don’t remember which ones they are.  I’ll need to look at the pictures again and WRITE THEM DOWN!!  My memory isn’t always my best friend!!!
Jack loves popcorn but NOT movies, so that idea is out of the question!
Beth
Sun 12/20/2020 12:21 AM
 
Beth,
 
So, will it be poker or blackjack?  Do you guys play pool? Lol.
 
John, IV
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Re: The MyCousins Project

Fri 1/15/2021 10:49 PM
John, IV
I think people have lost interest and don’t share the enthusiasm you and I have.  No matter the reasons, you’ve worked hard on the project, and I’ve done what I can on my end.

I have to tell you; I went to St Cyril cemetery today because I couldn’t wait until Spring to find your great grandfather’s/grandmother’s gravestone.  Their last name is definitely spelled Ilcik because I traced it with my finger.  I did the same with their names and dates.  It says he was born in 1867, and we’ve been putting 1866 as his dob.  I took 2 pictures and will send them to you when I download them to my computer.  I’ll do that tomorrow as I’m tired tonight.  
 
I didn’t sleep well last night because this has been on my mind, plus I’m adding names to the Byras family tree.  Something I hadn’t mentioned to you before now….as you know, I grew up in Durham, and a good friend of mine and close neighbor was Stephen Byrus.  His father and mother were Joseph Byrus and Marie Yvette Pelletier Byrus (she used her middle name Yvette), and his grandfather and grandmother were Joseph Byrus and Louise Crowley Byrus.  Our parents were very good friends and spent a lot of time together.  Stephen was an only child; his dad had cancer and died young at 43.  It upset my parents greatly, especially my dad because he lost a great friend.  Yvette worked in a bank in Lisbon Falls, and she and my mom remained friends until her retirement, and she moved to Camden, ME., where she died.   Yvette would visit once in a while, and they often exchanged letters. 
 
The point of this story is… Stephen stopped at our house a few years ago with lots of information about the Byras family.  The Byras family had a family reunion in Bowdoin every year, and we always went when Gert was alive.  After she died, Jack lost interest in going, and so did his dad.  Stephen went every year and knew all the Byras family.  He also knew I had joined Ancestry and wanted to know the Byras family history.  He told me all the family members, and thankfully, I wrote it all down.  I hadn’t done much on the Byras family until a couple of days ago, and now I’m obsessed with completing that tree.  I’m not done yet, but I’m close.  I can only work for a few hours and don’t always get back to it until the next day.  
 
Another bit of information… Joe, Yvette, and Stephen Byrus spell their last name Byrus, and the rest of the family spells it Byras.  I don’t know if you had noticed that.  I asked Stephen why one time, and he said he didn’t know, but his family always spelled it that way.  
 
I’ve rambled enough for now, but I thought you’d be interested to know my connection to the Byras family.  Little did I know when I was growing up, I’d marry Jack and become involved with his family history as much as I have.  I couldn’t wait to get to the cemetery today to find the Elcik/Ilcik gravestone.  I even saw Earl’s footprints in the snow!!!!
 
I’m shutting down for now.  I’ll send the pictures tomorrow.
 
Beth