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Slovak Translations

Monday, September 21, 2020, 10:02 PM

John, IV,

I’m exchanging text messages with a cousin of Jack’s, Dan Gamache. He speaks Slovak and has interpreted some of the Slovak words on gravestones. He also knows a couple of people in the John Stephen Karkos photo. Joseph is the father of my good friend in high school, Pat Karkos. I knew him but didn’t recognize him in the picture because he was younger then. Also, two other men in the picture, Stephan and Andrew, were the fathers of two other Karkos families in Lisbon Falls. Stephan’s son was Steve Karkos, and I went to school with him, and Andrew’s son was Norm Karkos, and Jack went to school with him. Dan Gamache lived on the same street as all three Karkos families.

On the Ilcik gravestone, Rod is an abbreviation for born, Zom means died, Jeho Jenna means wife. Those words are on other gravestones as well. I always wondered what they meant, and now I know, and you do too.

Beth

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William “Bill” Cizmar

Mon 10/12/2020 8:06 PM
 
Bill,
 
It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance.  
 
Wow! I love your background story and look forward to trying to answer future questions.
 
Also, it appears like you are tackling a huge, complex topic, i.e., all of Lisbon.
 
My little part of the story seems to be tied to a Lisbon Falls Elcik family that mostly stayed in Androscoggin County and a Durham Elcik family that moved to New York.  It isn’t black and white, but that is how Beth and I have been describing it.  
 
What I initially sent you is concentrated around the brick wall we have run into.  If you need more information for your project or help us, tell me what would help.
 
This time I attached a couple of Elcik documents and my favorite photo that might also be useful in your research.  
 
Thanks for the contact information for Deeb Keamy. I’m sure I will find a need to reach out.
 
Regards,
 
John
 
Documents:
John Elsik, Sr. (1868), 1910 United States Federal Census – Ancestry.com
Why We Spell Our Surname as Elcik
 
 
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Are John and Joseph Elcik Brothers?

Tue 10/13/2020 3:04 PM
Bill,
The attached story “Are John and Joseph Elcik Brothers?” and supporting documentation may be of interest.  It is a more detailed examination of the significance of using the Elcik vs. Elsik surname in further research.
Also, keep in mind that the Ilcik surname is also in play if there is a family connection between the Lisbon Falls and Durham Elcik’s. The encouraging note here is that at least one Durham family has used the Elsik surname.
Regards,
John, IV
10/21/2020 Are John and Joseph Elsik Brothers?

The Story:

I think I have proof that John Elcik (Elsik), Sr., my great-grandfather, had a younger brother Joseph.
John Elsik (1866-1941) was married to Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936). John immigrated to America in 1891, and Mary immigrated in 1896. They had 7 children: John Jr (1896), Michael Joseph (1897), Mary Anna (1899), Andrew (1902), Annie (1905), Elizabeth (1905), and Susan M. (1910). Joseph Elcik (1871-1938) was married to Elizabeth Balnick (1871-1934). Joseph followed ten years later in 1901 at the age of 30. They had 3 children: Annie (1902), Lizzie (1905), and Mary (1908).
If so, this answers the question I put on the research agenda about the possibility of siblings. There was at least one.
My evidence is in the 1910 United States Federal Census:
  • The two men (Heads of Households) are just three years apart in age. John is 42 and Joseph 39.
  • Both immigrated from Austria.
  • Both settled in Durham, Androscoggin, Maine.
  • But the clincher for me is that both men spell our surname “Elsik” for themselves while spelling their children’s names “Elcik.” This can’t be a coincidence.

10 years are separating their immigration to America. John immigrated in 1891 at the age of 23 and Joseph in 1901 at the age of 30. All seven of John’s and all three of Joseph’s children were born in Androscoggin County, Maine.
Both men used the same given names for their three daughters. They must have had middle names or nicknames as they surely played together. The population of Androscoggin County in 1910 was 59,822 (26,247 in Lewiston, 4,116 in Lisbon, and 1,625 in Durham) John, IV

P.S. It has been almost six weeks since this was posted. Today, I found this item on a genealogy site, which bolsters my argument that John and Joseph were brothers. John Paul Elcik, IV – Editor
“In other cases, brothers who lived near each other would sometimes give their children the same first names. The cousins might have gone by nicknames or middle names to avoid confusion during their lifetimes. It becomes more di

“In other cases, brothers who lived near each other would sometimes give their children the same first names. The cousins might have gone by nicknames or middle names to avoid confusion during their lifetimes. It becomes more difficult 100 years later for a genealogist looking to match the right people to the right spots on a family tree.”

 

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Re: Doctors Appointments

 
Wed 10/14/2020 5:13 PM
 
John, IV,
 
My doctor’s appointments went well.  I’m waiting for the hospital to schedule a stress test my cardiologist recommended.  Blood pressure, Blood work was all good, but there’s a gray area where they need to find out why I’m having shortness of breath after walking, going up a flight of stairs, etc.  We’re not sure if it’s coming from my neck or is a cardio issue.  We need to rule that out at this point.
 
I start PT tomorrow and am hoping that’ll help.  I’ve done this in the past, and it always does.  I’m anxious to get started.
 
I’m fine helping you with the eBook.  I wish we could figure out the Elcik family, especially if the Durham and Lisbon Falls Elciks are related somehow and if John and Joseph are brothers.  When I talked to Gene Elcik today, he said at the time the Slovak/Czechs began migrating to this country, Hitler was in power, and all those records were destroyed.  That’s why there aren’t any records available.  I just remembered someone else who may be able to help.  Her name is Patsy Armstrong (married name).  Her grandmother was Mary Elcik, your grandfather John’s sister.  Mary married Mike Dutko.  They had 3 children, Helen, Regina, and Mary.  Patsy’s mother was Helen.  She lives down the st from us.  I called her way back when about the Elcik family.  She may know the connection to Paul Joseph Elcik Sr, Paul Joseph Elcik Jr., and Mary A Elcik (not your grandfather’s sister Mary.)  Have I told you before that I drive myself “CRAZY” with this stuff!!!!
 
I also need to finish my Purinton/Day/Goddard family tree on Family Tree Maker.  I want to print it, but I am not totally familiar with how I want to do that.  I was working on that when we connected, and I went back to the Elcik/Byras/Gamache trees.  I had done a lot of that before we got involved, but I DO want to finish.  I get bogged down with technology, and then frustration sets in.  
 
If only I were as smart as you!!
 
Beth
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Life Stories

 
 
Mon 10/19/2020 3:47 PM
 
John, IV,
 
These all sound good to me.  I hope Gene Elcik will contribute some stories.  He told about Michael, your grandfather’s brother, being buried in Lisbon Falls.  His daughter lives in NJ (at least I think that’s what he said), and she had his casket exhumed and sent to NJ so he could be near her.  Evidently, he died young.  I’m sure there are others he can share with us.

 
Beth
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Re: How Many Elcik’s Are a Lot?

 
Sun 10/25/2020 5:17 PM

John, IV,

Those are questions we may never know the answers to.  I believe that many families had mass immigration to the US because of persecution and other reasons.  Immigrants founded our country.  There are many more Slovak families that settled in Lisbon Falls beside the Elciks.  

 
Beth
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What is a Durham Elcik?

 
Wed 10/28/2020 8:17 PM
 
Beth,

 
I’m going to recommend that we do not use location to describe the differences between the two Elcik families immigrated to America.
 
I started by using New York as a description for John Elcik in Rocky Point, New York, and later we both changed that to Durham Elcik’s to reflect the common origins in Maine. Because of my father and his siblings, I always self-identified with Lisbon Falls. 
 
After a closer look, it would appear that both Elcik families immigrated to Durham, Maine, and are Durham Elcik’s.  John Elsik immigrated in 1891 and Mary Pelcarsky in 1896. John Ilcik immigrated in 1905 and Mary Maria Yonek a year later in 1906. Durham was a relatively small community of 1,625 people in 1910 and, by 1920, the population had shrunk to 1,144 people.
 
John Elsik, Sr. (1866-1941), and Mary Pelcarsky (1870-1936) were born in Austria and died in Lewiston, Maine. At least six of their seven children were born in Durham, Maine.
  • 1886 John Elcik, Jr.
  • 1897 Michael Joseph Elcik
  • 1899 Mary Anna Elcik
  • 1901 Andrew John Elcik
  • 1905 Annie Elcik
  • 1905 Elizabeth Elcik
  • 1910 Susan M. Elcik (location unknown)
John Ilcik (1886-1962) and Mary Maria Jonek (1887-1951) were born in Slovakia and Austria.  Both died in Lewiston, Maine. All five of their children were born in Durhan, Maine.
  • 1907 Joseph Elcik
  • 1908 John Ilcik, Jr.
  • 1911 Andrew John Elcik
  • 1915 George Michael Elcik
  • 1919 Marie E. Elcik
Both men and their wives died in Lewiston, Maine.
 
Subsequently, both families’ paths would take them in different geographic directions.
 
The offspring of John Elsik would have their children in Libson Falls, Maine. John Elcik, Jr.’s wife and all six of their children would be born in Lisbon Falls.
 
The offspring of John Ilcik would have their children in New York. The first in 1931 is John Joseph Elcik, the son of Joseph Elcik.
 
John Ilcik’s brother Paul Joseph Ilcik, Sr. (1896-1970) and his wife Mary A. Fabian (1891-1978) would have two children
  • 1915 Paul Joseph Elcik, Jr. (Durham)
  • 1917 Mary A. Elcik (Lisbon Falls)
Based on this new information, I find it less confusing if I refer to each family as the descendants of John Elsik or John Ilcik. John Elsik was the family that relocated to Lisbon Falls and John Ilcik, the family that relocated to New York. 
 
Both families would move on to other locations. At one point, we each had family in Butler County, Ohio. Pam and I lived in Fairfield, Ohio; simultaneously, Jacqueline Elcik lived close by. A piece of mail belonging to Jacqueline was delivered to my house by mistake when my mother, formerly Jacqueline Elcik, now Jacqueline Skillin, lived with us. It was a check which we deposited by honest mistake. Ouch!
 
That was easy, wasn’t it? Lol.
 
John Elcik, IV