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A Tough Research Question


Mon 8/24/2020 4:51 PM

John,

Yes, I agree with you. Jack knows the Durham George Elcik isn’t a cousin to his mother. I’ve at least taught him that much. I understand entirely 1st cousins, 2nd cousins, 1st cousins once removed, 2nd cousins once removed, etc.

An example in my family. My father had a 1st cousin Betty Jones. My brothers and I always called her “Aunt Betty” and believed her to be our aunt. Well, NO, she was our 1st cousin once removed. She was my father’s 1st cousin (their mothers were sisters.) Both my father and “Aunt Betty” were of the same generation. My brothers and I were of the “next” generation. That’s where the once removed come in to play. Age has NOTHING to do with it.

Another example: My mother had a 1st cousin, Alan, 22 years younger than her. My grandmother (my mom’s mom) and Alan’s mother were sisters. Alan was born when my mother was 22, BUT he was my mother’s 1st cousin. He was only a few years older than me, and people always thought he was my 1st cousin. He was my 1st cousin once removed.

Is this “clear as mud??”

Beth

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Re: Join Us in Preserving Our Family’s Heritage


Sat 9/26/2020 9:46 PM

Beth,

Pam is borrowing her Sisters’ Mercedes convertible rendering one half of our garage unavailable. The solution? We have a $225-month storage unit. I’d rather buy a car. But that’s not the issue; we have a Jeep that no one drives. Woe is me.

Lol, lol, lol,

John, IV

Sent from my iPad

[I should have added that Pam is using Kathy’s car because Kathy won a 2-year lease on a new one. This the second time Kathy has won a car. If only her luck would extend to the casino. – Editor ?]

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Re: Karkos Kronicles


Sat 9/26/2020 5:39 PM

John, IV,

It’s interesting that you reached out to Terry L Karkos. I’ve reached out to 3 people in Lisbon Falls about the picture. The last one was just about an hour ago. She’s a neighbor of ours and her daughter babysat our children about 40 years ago. Her name is Marilyn Keamy and she said her father was Andrew Karkos. I just went to her house and dropped off the Karkos family picture plus the John S Karkos obituary I received from my friend at the HS. She’s 92, her memory is better than mine and she remembers everything about the Karkos family. I called her, told her about the picture and she proceeded to tell me stories about the 10 brothers and sisters.

I gave her 2 copies of the picture, one for her to keep and the other one she’ll write the names of the brothers and sisters and give it back to me. I’m hopeful this will solve some pieces of the puzzle. That plus your contact with Terry L Karkos is a bonus.

I’ll let you know what she says about the Karkos family picture!!

Beth

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Re: Your Elcik Family Tree Questions

 
Fri 10/9/2020 10:17 PM

John, IV,

OK, now I have to go BACK to St. Cyril cemetery and take ANOTHER picture??!!  I will do that.  Then we’ll have a picture of Helen B. Kozak Mosco Elcik’s gravestone.  I understand that it’s probably Helen B. Mosko I’m looking for.  I’ll look for Mosko and Kozak names to be on the safe side.  I thought Nancy said her grandfather married “old lady Dutko,” but she could have said, “old lady Mosko” for all I know.  You have the proof with the marriage certificate.  GAWD, I need to talk to Eugene Elcik again.  Hopefully, he can clear this up and also the Paul Joseph Elcik mystery.  

This is the same thing I went through with my Purinton family.  There were 3 generations of Humphrey Purinton’s marrying women named Thankful.  Yeah, I know I told you that before!!!!  That was a complete nightmare for me because each generation had 11 and 12 children, and I had to connect the right Humphrey and Thankful to my family.  No wonder I don’t sleep at night!!!!
 
Don’t forget the Karkos question about Mary and Anna Pelcarsky being sisters.  That’s a work in progress as well.  
 
You keep writing, and I’ll keep searching!!
 
Beth
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Re: Eugene Elcik, Novelist with a Maine flavor!


Sat 10/17/2020 7:28 PM

John, IV,

I’m happy you and Gene Elcik are communicating, and thank you for sharing your email with him. We had a wonderful visit with Gene on Wednesday. I gave him as much information as I could about the research you and I are doing on the Elcik family. He was very interested in that. I’m hoping he will be a contributor as I believe he’s the only living Elcik of his generation.

I photocopied several pages of notes I’ve taken and some of the family group sheets you sent me. While I was doing that, he and Jack spent some time talking, and even Jack said how much he enjoyed that. It was wonderful to have him here with us for a couple of hours.

Also, Marilyn Keamy stopped by the same day, and she and Gene were happy to see each other, even if it was for a little while. She’s soon to be 93 and pretty frail, but she has an incredible memory. She didn’t stay long; she wore a mask as did Gene while she was here. I kept a 6′ distance, and she was comfortable with that. She’s so afraid of coming in any contact with people during COVID, and I agree with that. She doesn’t go out in public much at all and has even stopped going to the library even though they’re open. She went every day and spent several hours socializing, doing crossword puzzles, etc. She wrote the names on the back of the Karkos photo you sent. She knew all of them and even some stories about them. She’s truly amazing!! She didn’t know, nor did Gene, if Anna and Mary Pelcarsky were sisters. That remains a mystery.

Beth

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The Pelcarsky Puzzle

 
Sun 10/18/2020 11:23 PM
 

The Pelcarsky Puzzle

 
We theorize that Mary and Maria are probably different people; however, Marie’s records have become intertwined with Mary’s on some public family trees. We suspect the women could be sisters born 5 years apart in 1870 and 1875, respectively.
 

They Are Not Sisters 

 
Our sister’s theory was wrong as both birth years apply only to Mary Pelcarsky.  The abt 1875 birthdate in the 1910 U.S. Federal Census was an estimate.  Her actual birthdate is 6 NOV 1870.
 

There Are Two Different Women

 
We were correct that there are two different women. Mary was born in 1870, and Maria Anna was born in 1927:
 
Mary (Pelcarsky) Elsik was born on 6 NOV 1870 in Austria (or Czechoslovakia). She married John Elsik, Sr. (1866), and they have three sons: John, Jr, Mike, and Andrew; three daughters: Mary, Annie, and Lizzie.  The source is the 1910 U.S. Census. She died 23 AUG 1936. This is my great grandparents and family.
 
Maria Anna Pelcarsky was born in 1927 as calculated from the Ohio Death Index; she died on 12 OCT 1983 according to the same Index;  Maria Pelcarsky married Paul Ilcik. They have a daughter Annie Ilcik. The source is the 19 JUN 1911 Marriage record of Annie Ilcik to Andrew Basala. Paul and Annie are what you and I are calling Durham Elcik’s.
 

The History Behind 4 Pelcarsky Marriages

 
Mary Pelcarsky (1870) married John Elcik, Sr. (1866). They both were born in Austria. They have three sons: John, Jr, Mike, and Andrew; three daughters: Mary, Annie, and Lizzie. This is my great grandfather and family. The source is the 1910 U.S. Census.  
 
Maria Pelcarsky married Paul Ilcik, and they have a daughter Annie Ilcik. The source is the 19 JUN 1911 Marriage record of Annie Ilcik to Andrew Basala.
 
Anna “Annie” Pelcarsky (1848) married Joseph Paul Karkos (1867). She was born in Austria, and her parents were born in Slavonia. The source is the 11 APR 1921 marriage of Joseph Thomas Karkos and Mildred Aris Alexander. Other sources include the 1900 and 1920 U.S. Census.  There could be two relationships between the Pelcarsky and Karkos families. A second relationship is Annie Elcik (daughter of Mary Pelcarsky) marriage to George F. Karkos on 9 FEB 1925.
 
Mary Pelcarsky (1879) married Joseph Pelcarsky (1874). Both were born in Czechoslovakia. They have two sons: Joe and Edward; three daughters: Ann, Martha, and Rose. The source is the 1940 U.S. Census. There is no known relationship between Mary and the other three. I believe them to be unrelated to us. 
 

The Preferred Spelling is Pelcarsky

  • Pelcarsky – Mothers’s maiden name, according to Annie Elcik, wife of George F. Karkos.
  • Pelcarsky – Mother’s maiden name on 19 JUN 1911 Marriage record of Annie Ilcik to Andrew Basala.

6 Alternative Spellings

The maiden name for Mary Pelcarsky is different on the following records:

  • Mary Polscoke is John Elcik’s mother on his 20 FEB 1896 birth, Maine Vital Records
  • Mary Pelchascay is John Elcik’s mother on his marriage to Mary Byrus (sic), Maine Marriage Index
  • Mary Palcsak is Mary Elcik’s mother upon her 4 OCT 1915 wedding to John Dutko, Maine Marriage Index
  • Mary Pelesaky is Michael J. Elcik’s mother on his 1 AUG 1930 marriage to Annie H. Sero, Maine Marriage Index
  • Mary Polcarski is an unknown daughter’s mother on her 29 AUG 1910 birth, Maine Vital Records

Also, there is Mary Pelchaleky (Marie Pelcarsky) married to Paul Elcik, Sr., Maine Vital Records

Postscript

 
Yes, this one baffled me for a long time.
 
John, IV
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Re: Request for Your Holiday Status?

Thu 12/17/2020 11:20 PM

Beth,

We will spend Christmas eve at JP and Ana’s house. Ana’s mom is gravely ill, and we are doing everything we can to make things better for her. She is living with the newlyweds while undergoing treatment for brain cancer. Ouch!

We will follow-up by spending Christmas day at Pam’s sisters’ house. Kathy lives about 10 minutes away from both our house and Michelle’s condo. Her house is big and accommodates more people comfortably. JP and Ana are 45 minutes away, and I refer to visiting them as a trip to Canada. They think I’m kidding. But they are close to where they work, and that counts for something.

I am going to surprise you. I like Tinker Bell (correctly spelled) as a Disney character, but not as a dog’s name.  It comes out “stinker.” Ouch. I have several theories about names. [I once wrote a letter about this. When I find that letter, I’ll send you a copy.] One theory says it is human nature to shorten them. Maybe it is going from three syllables to two or two to one; whatever the metric, we need to make it shorter.  John Paul became JP or, for me only, J is enough. Michelle is “shell.” I use Pam for Pamela.  Beth, John, Jack are all good solid names. ? Lol.

Given all of the above, the dogs are “girls” or the Belle sisters if I need to be formal.  Eventually, you will see how much alike they look. Michelle has the best pictures so I will ask her to send some to me.  Because of the pictures (Chihuahua/Terrier mix), you will understand why I sometimes revert to “big Lucy” and “little Lucy.” Anything but stinker, although that moniker applies to all puppies.