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Facebook Chat – John Elcik and Janet (Lucas) Welsh

July 20, 2020, through July 23, 2020

July 20, 2020, 11:14 AM

John Elcik: Janet, this one is just for you!

Janet Welch: Oh, John ??❤️??❤️??❤️! You have no idea how much this picture means. I’ve never seen anything like this.

Janet Welch: I miss my parents so very much ❤️

John Elcik: Me too, both your and Jack’s parents were special to all three of us, Elcik boys.

Janet Welch: John Elcik and you boys to them.

John Elcik: In addition to my memories of your parents, I remember you and your siblings, the big house in York, and how hard your parents worked.

Janet Welch: John Elcik? That’s so wonderful ❤️. Thank you sooo much for posting that picture. I absolutely LOVE it. ?

Janet Welch: John Elcik, my immediate family, was and still is so valued. We’ve remained very close. Our Dad was always saying stay close, help each other out. My parents were both very hard workers. Nose to the grindstone, never, ever complaining. I do not know how they managed what they did. I have a tremendous amount of respect for both of them. Miss them to this very day as I’m sure you miss yours.

John Elcik: I said York, but as I recall, it was Old Orchard Beach and a great place to live in the summer. I’ve heard that the house may now be bed and breakfast?

John Elcik: I’ve often told my wife and children that I would like a house like you had and the opportunity to have several generations live together. I idolized what you had with a large, close family. ♥️

Janet Welch: Our former home here in York is currently a B&B. It’s called Chapman Cottage. Google it. Many many fun memories were had there. Very tough moving from Lisbon Falls initially, but absolutely the best thing for all of us. I live in such a beautiful area. Very blessed.

John Elcik: Yes, blessed!

Janet – So you live in FT Myers full time? If so, how long?

John – Approximately ten years. We moved here from Wellington on Florida’s East coast. The move Florida happened when J.P. and Michelle were doing their last years of high school.

John – Is anyone else we know in Florida?

John – Do you ever come south? We can be hosts.

Janet – We are in York, have a winter home in The Village’s, FL for the past 7+ years, and just rebought another year-round home, after selling our previous one of 19 years, with our son and his family in Rangeley, ME.

John – Do you have a golf cart for the villages? I love that community!

Janet – My brother, Rod, lives full time in The Village’s, FL, with his beautiful wife, Rose. His daughter Megan lives near him.

John – Two homes, Wow! It would be great to see them and you! You and my sister-in-law are house rich!

Janet – We will have to meet up this winter if all goes well regarding this virus. We are waiting to see how all goes with a vaccine before heading back to FL. Grateful to have options?

Janet – And yes. We sold our snowmobiles and bought golf carts to travel around in.

John – Until recently, Kathy had a home in Zionsville, Indiana, and one on Sanibel Island, Florida. Now she lives a few miles away in Fort Myers.

John – I love the concept of a golf cart. Not popular in The Meadow of Parker Lakes.

John – The virus is a real pain!!!!!

Janet – Agree. It’s changed most of everyone’s lifestyle. And it is rearing its ugly head, yet again.

John – Florida is the new epicenter.

Janet – So I hear. ?

John – We have faith.

Janet – We have to.

John – Amen.

Janet – Yes. Amen ❤️

John – An excellent place to stop for lunch! I’ve enjoyed this.

Janet – Likewise! Be safe. Stay well?

John – I’m fixing it. You too!

Jul 22, 2020, 6:08 AM

Janet,

The Family Tree I’m working on is quite robust because of the advantages computers give us. The Tree includes information on all branches of our family. Elcik, Lucas, and more.

Ultimately, the project requires review by the people that know the individuals best. Would you be willing to review what I have on your parents? The final documents are something that I think you will cherish. And I get the satisfaction of knowing that I got their life stories right. What do you think?

Share your email address, and I will snd you four documents. There are a LifeStory and a Fact document for each parent. ?
With an eMail address, I could also provide you access to the whole Tree as a guest, contributor, or editor. Let me know if you want to do either of these options or both.

Warmest regards, John

July 23, 2020, 9:43 AM

Janet – That sounds wonderful!! Thanks so much ❤️. My email is janw@maine.rr.com.

John – I will send you an invitation.

John – The email is sent, and Ancestry should send you one too. Theirs will give you login instructions.

John – 11 years ago, Keri Lucas contacted us about the Family Tree. That site doesn’t exist anymore. Do you think she would be interested in the new site? Do you talk with her?

Janet –  Hi John. I’m sure she would be interested. I’ll get in touch with her. She’s living in North Carolina now, but we occasionally text each other.

John – Great! I’m collaborating with Beth Gamache on getting my facts right, but I can never have too much interest. ?

Janet – Gotcha! ?

John – I hope your day is going well.

Janet – Fabulously! Suppose to get strong storms this afternoon. A very hot & dry summer so far. I hope your day is great as well!

John – It is. Working on training our puppy.

Janet – A puppy?!? What kind?

John – A Chihuahua and Terrier mix from the humane society. Her name is Lucy Belle. She is tan, and I think she is 100% terror.

John – Freudian slip, I meant to say Terrier

Janet – So a little pooch.

John – Yes. about 10 pounds and a bundle of energy

Janet – Will help keep you young ?.

John – Absolutely, Do you have pets(s)?

Janet – Yes. A cocker spaniel named Cooper. He’s 12.

John – Lovely. Small dogs live the longest. Our Holly and Daisey were with us for more than 15 years.

Janet – Good long lives. It’s tough losing a pet. We had another cocker that lived until 15. He was a love. Our current dog has been a handful. He’s just starting to be ok with other dogs—been kind of a brat.

John – Our Lucy has had a rocky start. We will do better for her and me.

Janet – I’ll be sending positive vibes ??!

John – Thanks!!!!

John – I need to go, but it is always a pleasure to visit.

Janet – Likewise!! Take care.

John – You too!

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Solving the Mystery


Wed 7/15/2020 8:53 PM

Jim & Jeff,

There are several pieces to a mystery that came together for the first time today.

The mystery, if you don’t remember, is to find the links between all three waves of the Elcik family immigrated to America in the 1800s. We all came from Austria/Hungry, and there is a commonality of surnames (Elsik, Elick, and Elcik) and given names (John and James). Yet, I could not find a link between us (our Grandfather and Great-Grandfather) and a third group that initially settled in Lisbon Falls along with us, but moved south to New York.

It turns out that there are two links to the 3rd family. Remember that there was no apparent link because the two John Elcik’s are ten years apart, so they can’t be father and son.

The first evidence of a family link is on a government registration card—John Paul Elcik’s Registration Card (Serial #2701, Order #A1580), to be exact. The card gives 16 MAR 1885 as the birthdate for an Austria-Hungary born individual working as a “stock washer” in the paper mill. Mary Helen Elcik is the nearest relative and an RR2 #2 Lisbon Falls address.

Mary Helen can only be Mary Helen Pelarsky [Percarsky], wife to John Elsik, Sr.

With this encouragement, I decided to start entering the unlinked New York Elcik’s into the Family Tree without a link. Perhaps, given enough data, the software could suggest the family connection.

SUCCESS! For the first time, Ancestry.com began suggesting relationships. Ancestry identified John P Elcik (NY) as the “father of 1st cousin 1x removed.” WONDERFUL NEWS!

I now did one better by continuing to follow the Ancestry hints. Next, I found out that the 1rst cousin 1x removed is George M. Elcik. That is not all. I know this name as George is my Aunt Gertrude’s cousin. It means that her cousin and she both married members of the Gamache family. She married Norman Gamache. And her cousin George married Hanna Gamache.

I think this explains why the software is recognizing family relationships as “once-removed.

Thus, I can now show that we are related to the third Elcik family. The link is the marriages of Aunt Gertrude and Uncle Norman. George M. Elcik was our missing link.

I still suspect that there is a European connection between the families, but proof of that will take more research.

Meanwhile, to identify the parents (probably in Europe) of my previously unlinked John P. Elcik and John Elcik, Sr. (my Great-Grandfather), I have reached out to the New York cousin’s help. I’ll keep you posted.

John, IV

[Auntie Gertrude and Uncle Norman’s marriage is not the missing link we thought as George is not a “blood relative” cousin. His common Elcik surname and living in Lisbon Falls, however, grant him that “informal” status with the families. Later, a family link will develop because George marries Anna Gamache, Uncle Norman’s sister. Thus, for the first time, a marital, not blood relationship, exists between the Ilsik and Elsik families. – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]  

 

 

 

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Ancestry Invitation


Thursday, July 16, 2020, 7:44 PM

John (NY),

Here are the five documents I referenced in Messenger.

Each person comes to this type of research when they are ready. Don’t feel bad if this turns out not to be the right time.

Reading them in the order created is less likely to confuse. ?

Take your time. The invitation of Ancestory.com shouldn’t expire if you choose to wait till you have digested the letters.

If it does, I can always issue a new invitation.

Enjoy,

John, IV johnelcik@msn.com

My LinkedIn account gives background information on me without using the Family Tree data

https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnelcik/

 

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A Closer Look at the Are We Related Mystery


Fri 7/17/2020 7:35 AM

John (NY),

Still another way of looking at the mystery of are we related, but this time with even more detail.

My Family Relations

  • John P. Elcik, V (1986) – My son, Science Teacher
  • John P. Elcik, IV (1952) – Me, Doctorate in Educational Administration, College Administrative Software Marketing
  • John P Elcik, III (1928) – My father had a career in the U.S. Navy and electronic communications.
  • John P Elick (Jr.) (1896-1963) – My Grandfather, Worked in the Pejepscot Paper Company and lived in Lisbon Falls, Maine.
  • John Elsik (Sr.) (1866-1941) – My Great Grandfather was born in (Parhovjani S, Czechoslovakia, Slovenia) and immigrated to America in 1891. Worked in a woolen mill and later a paper mill as a “pulp man.” For a time, he lived in Durham, Maine.

Your Family Relations

  • John Elcik (born?) – You, Education
  • John Elcik (born?) – Your Dad
  • John J. Elcik (1943-2018) – Your Grandfather
  • [1912-1917 year born?] – Your Great Grandfather
  • John P. Elcik (1886-1962) – Your presumptive Great-Great-Grandfather was born in (Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovakland) and immigrated to America in 1906. Worked in a paper mill and Lived in Durham, Maine.

There is ten years difference in age between my Great Grandfather and your Great-Great-Grandfather.

My Great Grandfather immigrated in 1891, and I believe your Great-Great-Grandfather immigrated in 1906, i.e., 15 years later.

What we want to find out is the relationship between my Great-Grandfather and your Great-Great-Grandfather. Because of their ages, I know it was not a parental one. I suspect they were cousins. What do you think? Do you have access to a family history that could help us?

My limited understanding of European economics and politics suggests that Austria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovakland, and Slovenia were all of the same general areas in Europe. Who ruled when determined what you called it.

John IV

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Gravestone Question


Friday, July 17, 2020, 11:47 PM

John (NY),

Could this be your Great-Great Grandfather’s gravestone? He is buried with his wife Jeho Zena Marie Ilcik, and one son.

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This son obviously can’t be your Great Grandfather. But they could have had another child.

If you examine the photo:

  • John Ilcik (16 MARH 1886 – ?? SEPT 1982)
  • Jeho Zena Marie Ilcik (28 SEPT 1887 – 13 AUG 1951), Age 63
  • John Ilcik (12 AUG 1908 – 02 JUL 1916)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36864877

John, IV

[John Ilcik will be identified later as the Great Grandfather. – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]

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Have We Reached a Brick Wall?


Fri 7/17/2020 1:47 PM

John (NY),

Good day!

It will take more work by us to get this done. The weakest link, but I believe real, is the relations “once removed* discovered by the software. The stronger relationship through our grandparents is yet to be discovered. We may not be able to prove the later without visiting Europe or DNA testing. But the quest is half the fun. 🙂

Regards,

John, IV

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Granting Access to Ancestry.com


Friday, July 17, 2020, 2:09 PM

John (NY),

This email is to share with you that Ancestry.com should send you instructions for logging in.

My educated guess is that family members have been on ancestory.com in the past. They chose to make their Family Trees private. Even if they had not, Ancestry hides the names of living people. Are Janien, Christine, Stephen, Kaitlyn, Nancy, Samantha, Jessica, Kathryn directly related? If so, I hope you will enter their names and birthdates.

I believe the only “general” connection between families is solved, but I have yet to build out the Family Tree to a direct link between the two of us. I believe when you begin adding names and birthdates, we will discover our specific family relationship.

John, I am making you an editor of the Family Tree site. Editor means you have access to everything. It includes individuals who are living and notes.

Send me an email at johnelcik.com with questions or if you need anything.

***The software identifies the individual’s relationship with ME as the “root” individual under each person’s name. Once we have you connected though family data to your Grandfather, I can show you how to make yourself the “root” individual. The presumptive grandparent (my best guess) is John Elcik, born March 16, 1886 – Slovakia and passed on September 05, 1962 – Lewiston, Maine.***

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Enjoy!

John, IV