Fri 7/17/2020 2:48 PM
John,
I’m attaching a historical photo.
The Elick family top row from left to right: John P. Elcik, Jr.; Michael Elcik, and Andrew Elcik. The bottom row from left to right are Mary Elcik (Dutko), Elizabeth Elcik (Small), John P. Elcik, Sr.; Mary Elcik (Pelcarsky); Susan Elcik; and Annie Elcik. (Elizabeth & Annie are twins)
John, IV
P.S. I am retired, so that I can give this much more time than you. Don’t worry; I will slow down.
John Elcik – Invite has been sent. Enjoy!
Friday, July 17, 2020, 9:50 PM
John, NY
I think that your grandfather and mine look like brothers (fraternal twins?).
Later I learn that I have misidentified by using a photo of my maternal rather than paternal grandfather. – Ouch! – John, IV
Previously, I showed you or your father a picture of my brother Jim who in it resembles your dad. Did I send it to your father or was that you?
This is Jim’s photo. I was reacting to the pictures I had seen on Facebook.
John, IV
Saturday, July 18, 2020, 6:03 AM
To: Elcik, John (DFA) <John.Elcik@dfa.state.ny.us>
John,
I have a fresh candidate to be a presumptive Great-Grandfather.
John Ilcik was born in Slovakia on December 28, 1910. He came to New York through Canada.
The one concern I will raise is that he would have been 33 when he fathered your Grandfather.
I’m attaching a copy of the documentation.
I’ll look for a spouse that would help verify or eliminate him as a candidate.
I’ll keep looking till you say stop. ?
I will drop the Great-Great-Grandfather Ilcik candidate who had the eight-year-old son from any consideration. Until we find your Great-Grandfather, nothing can be verified.
John, IV
[I gave up too soon. John Ilsik is the missing Great-Grandfather. John Ilcik’s son George Michael Elcik will marry Anna Gamache establishing the first family link between our two families. Anna is sister-in-law to my Auntie Gertrude. Her brother is Norman Gamache. – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]
Saturday, July 18, 2020, 7:29 AM
John (NY),
I just replayed an earlier discussion back in my mind. I don’t think I listened as well as I might have. And the fact that I am hard of hearing had nothing to do with it. I was preoccupied with my theories.
You said the Elcik name was changed from Ilcik to Elcik at Ellis Island. Was this done for your grandfather? If so, I’m chasing a wild goose. 🙂 I should not be looking for another Ilcik who immigrated; instead, if possible, I need to find your grandfather’s immigration document to satisfy my curiosity.
It is not the news I would have hoped for as the more individuals we place on the family tree, the greater the chances of linking our two families here in America. If the link occurs in Europe, we may not have the resources to prove what we both think about our families being related.
So the #1 question I have is, did your grandfather come through Ellis Island or did a Great/or Great-Great Grandparent? I think where I went wrong is believing that you are related to the John Elcik that immigrated 15 years after my Great Grandfather (John Elsik), who arrived in 1891. I have been working on the theory that that wave of immigration was followed by another one in 1906. My view might be wrong if John J. Ilcik (your grandfather) arrived through Elis island in the 1940-50s. It would mean there were at least three, not two, waves of Elcik immigrants. Wow!
Again, even if this is true, it is still likely that our ancestors are connected by relationships back in Austria/Hungry/Slovenia. While a DNA test might prove this, I think we can take this on faith.
John, IV
P.S. Aunt Gertrude’s cousin, who married Anna Gamache, not her brother. Too many people named Andrew, George, James, and John. Very easy to make a mistake, which is frustrating.
[John Ilcik immigrated 15 years after my Great Grandfather (John Elsik). From the beginning, I was trying to connect the right two individuals. Proving that was delayed by my not comprehending the timetable. Always listen closely and followup. The discovery of a family relationship between the two men is the next step. Can it be done? – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]
Saturday, July 18, 2020, 4:02 PM
John (NY),
Great details. ? I will post them into our tree later today. I have a DNA story to share, but I need lunch first.
John, IV
Sent from my iPad
[The only thing as important as sleep is food. – Editor]
Sat 7/18/2020 6:41 PM
John (NY),
Thank you! The information on recent information was needed to correct the other news I was using. I was getting the generations mixed up. I believe all is in order now for when you elect to view the Family Tree. ?
When you decide it time to begin using Ancestry.com, the following should make it easier.
I have used the Suffix field for other than its intended use for recording Jr., Sr., etc. In my record, I use the label FL, and in your record, I use the label NY. Using the standard search function will show us the right individual with less thought about spelling and dates. There are a lot of similarly named records. I also placed Father, Uncle, and Grandfather in the suffix field. Less confusing for me this way.
I recommend as a first step; you use search to find the NY record and then select the option to show the tree with you as the “root” person. It gives you a family flow chart where you can click on individuals to obtain more details.
After exploring NY, I encourage you to do the same but with FL as the “root” person.
Enjoy!
John, FL
[This naming convention became more trouble than it was worth and I stopped using it. – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]
