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One Tree Was Not Enough

Beth Purinton Gamache

Beth Purinton Gamache

Greetings,

John thinks I’m “amazing” because of my six family trees. The truth is it was simply easier for me to organize my time.

I originally told him I spent 2 years researching my Purinton family tree. That’s partly true. That included the Goddard and Day family trees. I did quite a lot of the Gamache and Byras family trees during that time as well. As he knows, the Elcik family tree has been difficult with some roadblocks.

I share John’s frustrations with poor spelling and shared family names. I’ve had to deal with Puddington, Purrington, and Purington. Then, Purinton, which is how my great grandfather, grandfather, and father spelled it. I didn’t think about that when I first joined Ancestry. Now I check everything on gravestones, birth certificates, etc., and trace the changes.

Poor spelling and shared family names make it effortless to introduce duplicates into a family tree. I experienced the same thing with my Purinton family. There were 3 generations of Humphrey Purinton’s marrying women named Thankful. That was a complete nightmare for me because each generation had 11 and 12 children, and I had to connect the right Humphrey and Thankful to my family. No wonder I don’t sleep at night!!!!

Fortunately, there are tools to help find and fix them. John has helped with some of this, but mostly it is a lot of hard work.

Most of my Purinton ancestors are buried in a cemetery in West Bowdoin and some in Hillside. My Purinton ancestors established the Baptist church in West Bowdoin, and some were deacons and reverends. I never knew any of that until I read many articles about them in my Ancestry search. It was a huge eye-opener for me. My mother was from Durham, my dad, from Lisbon Falls. Most of the Goddard and Day families (my mother’s maiden name was Goddard, my dad’s mother’s maiden name was Day) are buried in Durham, and some at Hillside in Lisbon Falls. Yup, I’ve taken lots of Day and Goddard gravestone pictures. I have spent considerable time in cemeteries getting pictures for us. John says they are much better than what he could get at the FindAGrave website. Larger file sizes make for better visibility of the writing on gravestones.

The biggest disadvantage I had with multiple family trees is keeping them straight for others. Just the other day, John asked me what the sixth tree was. He was missing my Goddard family tree. My mother’s maiden name was Goddard. It also includes Croteau and Dearnley’s families, which is my grandmother Goddard’s family. Her maiden name was Croteau, and my great grandmother’s family is Dearnley. The Dearnley tree goes back to the 1700s, and they were from England. The Croteau family tree goes back to the 1800s, and they were from Canada. I traced the Goddard family back to the 1600s. I have a lot of pictures in the Goddard family tree.

John likes working with technology, and I like the outreach work. I’ve worked to involve others in our research. Among those who have become interested through outreach are Bob Elcik, Dan Gamache, Charlie Hall, Eugene Elcik (the Maine writer), George Karkos, Marilyn (Karkos) Keamy, Pam (Karkos) Lizotte, and William Cizmar.

Currently, I’m very anxious to talk to Eugene Elcik again. We have gotten together once. He also has corresponded with John. The Karkos family has intrigued me too. It’s a never-ending search for more information!!! ….

John has me wondering if I can sync the trees and have one Purinton Tree, including everyone. If so, then I can delete the Goddard- Day and Purinton Tree, including Cox trees. He thinks that there is value in my approach, given that human nature focuses our attention on our grandparent’s surnames. He thinks that researchers are quite willing to travel down the paths of additional trees. There must, however, be enough detail to send them in the right direction. We also found and contributed to the One World Tree sponsored by the Church-of-Latter-Day Saints. The latter may someday help us find Elcik’s in Europe.

Beth (Purinton) Gamache

Email: beth@mycousins.org

 

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Find a Grave


Wed 7/8/2020 10:28 PM

Judy,

Wow! Your experiences with “Find a Grave” would have frightened any sane person. No, wonder you stopped. I am glad, however, that you had a couple of positive experiences. It was an excellent service you provided. Even more, people appreciated it, I’m sure. I’m not big on travel (I miss cruising), but when I did, I needed my GPS. Your challenge to locate the right gravesite may be as difficult, or more so than the hunt for distant relations. There would be the satisfaction of knowing you got right, which I bet for you happened frequently.

I’m struggling with a decision on which pictures to put into the Ancestry database. Based on what I think others are doing, a profile picture and the gravestone is all that most folks do. And for some, the headstone becomes the profile picture. Funny, without the examples, I don’t know if I would have thought to use images of the gravestones.

I was initially going to post many pictures, but have decided against it. The Image Gallery doesn’t function like a scrapbook. Instead, one must select a picture one-at-a-time to view them properly.

I have learned how to build websites in my retirement, and I think I will update and expand mine: www.mycousins.org. The difference between a private website and Facebook (aside from privacy) is the opportunity to curate the contents. I’m finding my Facebook contacts publish photos of fair, and only occasionally better quality.

As a photographer, you must notice this. One advantage of my newly developed web design skills is that I am becoming skilled at manipulating images to improve them. Often just cropping a photo makes it more interesting. I was a marketer before I retired, but my creativity was limited to hiring talent. Web design allows me to try my ideas. It has led me to build two websites for my wife, Pam: www.princessofcrafts.com & www.beadedneckaces.com. If you have the time, please check any of them out. Enjoy!

Thanks for sharing,

John, IV

 

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Solving the Mystery


Wed 7/15/2020 8:53 PM

Jim & Jeff,

There are several pieces to a mystery that came together for the first time today.

The mystery, if you don’t remember, is to find the links between all three waves of the Elcik family immigrated to America in the 1800s. We all came from Austria/Hungry, and there is a commonality of surnames (Elsik, Elick, and Elcik) and given names (John and James). Yet, I could not find a link between us (our Grandfather and Great-Grandfather) and a third group that initially settled in Lisbon Falls along with us, but moved south to New York.

It turns out that there are two links to the 3rd family. Remember that there was no apparent link because the two John Elcik’s are ten years apart, so they can’t be father and son.

The first evidence of a family link is on a government registration card—John Paul Elcik’s Registration Card (Serial #2701, Order #A1580), to be exact. The card gives 16 MAR 1885 as the birthdate for an Austria-Hungary born individual working as a “stock washer” in the paper mill. Mary Helen Elcik is the nearest relative and an RR2 #2 Lisbon Falls address.

Mary Helen can only be Mary Helen Pelarsky [Percarsky], wife to John Elsik, Sr.

With this encouragement, I decided to start entering the unlinked New York Elcik’s into the Family Tree without a link. Perhaps, given enough data, the software could suggest the family connection.

SUCCESS! For the first time, Ancestry.com began suggesting relationships. Ancestry identified John P Elcik (NY) as the “father of 1st cousin 1x removed.” WONDERFUL NEWS!

I now did one better by continuing to follow the Ancestry hints. Next, I found out that the 1rst cousin 1x removed is George M. Elcik. That is not all. I know this name as George is my Aunt Gertrude’s cousin. It means that her cousin and she both married members of the Gamache family. She married Norman Gamache. And her cousin George married Hanna Gamache.

I think this explains why the software is recognizing family relationships as “once-removed.

Thus, I can now show that we are related to the third Elcik family. The link is the marriages of Aunt Gertrude and Uncle Norman. George M. Elcik was our missing link.

I still suspect that there is a European connection between the families, but proof of that will take more research.

Meanwhile, to identify the parents (probably in Europe) of my previously unlinked John P. Elcik and John Elcik, Sr. (my Great-Grandfather), I have reached out to the New York cousin’s help. I’ll keep you posted.

John, IV

[Auntie Gertrude and Uncle Norman’s marriage is not the missing link we thought as George is not a “blood relative” cousin. His common Elcik surname and living in Lisbon Falls, however, grant him that “informal” status with the families. Later, a family link will develop because George marries Anna Gamache, Uncle Norman’s sister. Thus, for the first time, a marital, not blood relationship, exists between the Ilsik and Elsik families. – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]  

 

 

 

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Searching for a Great Grandfather


Saturday, July 18, 2020, 6:03 AM

To: Elcik, John (DFA) <John.Elcik@dfa.state.ny.us>

John,

I have a fresh candidate to be a presumptive Great-Grandfather.

John Ilcik was born in Slovakia on December 28, 1910. He came to New York through Canada.

The one concern I will raise is that he would have been 33 when he fathered your Grandfather.

I’m attaching a copy of the documentation.

I’ll look for a spouse that would help verify or eliminate him as a candidate.

I’ll keep looking till you say stop. ?

I will drop the Great-Great-Grandfather Ilcik candidate who had the eight-year-old son from any consideration. Until we find your Great-Grandfather, nothing can be verified.

John, IV

[I gave up too soon. John Ilsik is the missing Great-Grandfather. John Ilcik’s son George Michael Elcik will marry Anna Gamache establishing the first family link between our two families. Anna is sister-in-law to my Auntie Gertrude. Her brother is Norman Gamache. – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]

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Listen Closely and Follow Up


Saturday, July 18, 2020, 7:29 AM

John (NY),

I just replayed an earlier discussion back in my mind. I don’t think I listened as well as I might have. And the fact that I am hard of hearing had nothing to do with it. I was preoccupied with my theories.

You said the Elcik name was changed from Ilcik to Elcik at Ellis Island. Was this done for your grandfather? If so, I’m chasing a wild goose. 🙂 I should not be looking for another Ilcik who immigrated; instead, if possible, I need to find your grandfather’s immigration document to satisfy my curiosity.

It is not the news I would have hoped for as the more individuals we place on the family tree, the greater the chances of linking our two families here in America. If the link occurs in Europe, we may not have the resources to prove what we both think about our families being related.

So the #1 question I have is, did your grandfather come through Ellis Island or did a Great/or Great-Great Grandparent? I think where I went wrong is believing that you are related to the John Elcik that immigrated 15 years after my Great Grandfather (John Elsik), who arrived in 1891. I have been working on the theory that that wave of immigration was followed by another one in 1906. My view might be wrong if John J. Ilcik (your grandfather) arrived through Elis island in the 1940-50s. It would mean there were at least three, not two, waves of Elcik immigrants. Wow!

Again, even if this is true, it is still likely that our ancestors are connected by relationships back in Austria/Hungry/Slovenia. While a DNA test might prove this, I think we can take this on faith.

John, IV

P.S. Aunt Gertrude’s cousin, who married Anna Gamache, not her brother. Too many people named Andrew, George, James, and John. Very easy to make a mistake, which is frustrating.

[John Ilcik immigrated 15 years after my Great Grandfather (John Elsik). From the beginning, I was trying to connect the right two individuals. Proving that was delayed by my not comprehending the timetable. Always listen closely and followup. The discovery of a family relationship between the two men is the next step. Can it be done? – John P. Elcik, IV, Editor]

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Beth’s Ancestry Journey

July 22, 2020, 08:55 PM

John, IV,

I haven’t heard back from George Karkos but will keep you informed about what I find out. I have a 2nd cousin who lives in Bowdoin, ME (I never knew he existed), which is about 5 miles from where we live. When I started my Ancestry journey, I found him by accident after visiting a cemetery in that town from a poster with his name and phone # on it. I called him, we met at his house, and I discovered his mother had done some family genealogy all handwritten. That was before Ancestry existed and before I joined Ancestry. He let me bring home the album his mother created, and I took off from there.
I joined Ancestry after that meeting and spent the next 2 years working on my family genealogy. I started the Gamache, Elcik, Byrus genealogy during that time as well. It’s been a work in progress, to say the least. Now with your help, I’m filling in the missing pieces for the Elcik, Byrus family.

I’m sure Terry would love to see the picture of Annie.

I’m calling it a night—lots going on the next couple of days. We’ll talk soon.

Beth

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Re: The Elcik Family Tree

July 24, 2020, 09:00 PM

John, IV

I haven’t had enough time to look at your Elcik tree yet but will do more in the next few days. I do agree that John P. Elciks and Andrew J. Elciks are a problem for me too. I noticed that you had our daughter Loni Beth Gamache Knoedler’s name spelled wrong, and you have her as Nancy’s daughter. Her husband died in 2013. All that info is on my Gamache/Elcik tree. I’m pleased to share that with you; however, I don’t know how to do it here. Can you help me with that?? I’ve shared my trees with friends on Ancestry but not here. I love all the pictures you have attached to people in your tree.

I received all the docs. Thanks. I have seen these and believe I have them saved on Ancestry. I did notice Eleanor’s name is spelled, Elinor. It’s spelled Eleanor on her gravestone. I’ve been to cemeteries in Lisbon, Lisbon Falls, and Lisbon Center and taken many pictures, so I have the dates correct. You can’t always depend on Ancestry for that.

Beth