Category: Ilcik

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Email to Joseph Elcik


Fri 8/14/2020 1:06 PM

Joseph,

I have just completed 6 weeks of intensive full-time research into the Elcik surname.
You are the sixth individual in the “family” that I have communicated with.

Most relevant to you may be my conversations with John Elcik of Rocky Point, New York, who is definitely on your family tree. I think he and your father are cousins?

Most of what I know comes from Census records.

John (New York) and I have been seeking ties between our families.

To date, I have found one.

I now know that there is at least an indirect connection between what I call New York Elcik’s and myself.

George Elcik (in the 1920 Census) on your branch of the family tree married Jack Gamaches ‘s father’s sister Anna Gamache on my branch. Yes, this is where Beth helped me solve the puzzle, as Jack is my 1rst cousin.

I’m now focused on proving a more direct family relationship between John Ilcik (1886-1982) and John Elsik (1866-1941). Given the 20 years that separated the two, I now suspect the relationship between these two is cousins.

To clarify, John Ilcik figures prominently on your family tree, and John Elsik is my Great-grandfather. To date, I can’t find a direct link.

This does not preclude other relationships from being found. It just has become a lot harder as the answer probably is in Europe. Ouch!

I hope you can find and share your family tree. It could help me solve puzzles I don’t even know exist.

Warmest regards,

John

P.S. The attached history of the spelling of Elcik is one of my more interesting findings and led me to discover that my Great-grandfather probably had a brother: Joseph Elsik.

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The Family Tree, etc.

8/19/2020 11:53 AM

From: Dr. John Elcik <johnelcik@msn.com>

To: Stacey Elcik Duryea <sweetlysung25@gmail.com>; Lauren Elcik Portell <elcik87@gmail.com>
Cc: James Stacy Elcik <jselcik@hotmail.com>; Jeffrey Lee Elcik <jeff@anyport.com>

Subject: The Family Tree, etc.

Stacey and Lauren,

Back in 2008, I worked on a family tree called “My Cousins” that was useful then. I have a new updated version that is nearing a stopping point. It will never be “completed.”

You may already have your resources dedicated to this, but even so, this could be helpful. I also would love to gain access to anything you would like to see put into the family tree. I am using the tree to build a Family history, so many of my images, documents, and website links are unconventional. I use the tree to tell family LifeStory’s. ?

Are you interested in having your copy of my version of the Family tree? If so, the following FREE options exist for using a copy of the tree.

The typical approach is to ask for a GEDCOM file. I can provide a file in this format used with virtually any Ancestry or genealogy software. The file is free.

It is not the way I recommend you go because GEDCOM FILES are text-only files. The downloads do not contain photos and other documents. I have attached a link below that explains more about GEDCOM files.

This text is a link to the article.

Two outside companies sync to Ancestry. Now our local copy of the family tree will retain photos and documents. The companies which sync with Ancestry are Family Tree Maker 2019 and RootsMagic.

I have elected to use Family Tree Maker 2019 by Mackiev. 

This text is a link to Mackiev Live Chat.

If you want a GEDCOM or Family Tree Maker backup, send your request with an email address for delivery. The files are free. You will need a software program to use them.

The tree includes familiar surnames: Adams, Elcik (Elick, Elsik, Ilcik), Gamache, McClanahan, Lucas, Skillin, and Strand. I am willing to add additional surnames to the tree. To get started, I typically need the dates of birth and full names of grandparents (maiden names for women).

Also, I’m willing to help other family members with their trees. I think it is essential to update older trees to include sources, images, and web links. As Genealogist’s say, “A Tree without Sources is Mythology.”

Uncle John

P.S. The other family tree option is a FREE guest account at Ancestry.com. You will be able to view records but not change them. Both options require an email address.

P.P.S. Please forward this email to anyone you feel could be interested in sharing info or gaining access.

[Jim and Jeff will need to pass this message on to Christopher, Harry, Maxwell, and Sam for whom I don’t have valid email addresses. – John P. Elcik, Editor]

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Ready to “Cry Uncle”, Yet?


Wed 8/19/2020 3:06 PM

Nope!

This is all fascinating. I need to digest all of it, though.

Speaking of our tree with Brian is interesting. Do I understand this correctly? It seems like the Gamaches are descendants of Ilcik, and one of their descendants (Norman Gamache) married an Elcik (Gertrude Elcik). So, there may be a more direct link between Elcik and Ilcik, but this one happens to be through a marriage of the two.

Also, do you have any more videos of Poppy/ any of Buba?

Chris

[Uncle Norman’s sister Anna married George Elcik, a descendent of John Ilcik. – Editor] 

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Cousin George?


On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, at 4:37 AM

Beth,

I’m providing the full names and dates of the individuals relevant to my question.

  • Anna Aurora Eva Gamache 1914-1998: Jack’s Aunt
  • George Michael Elcik (Ilcik) 1915-1977; Jack’s Uncle
  • My Aunt Gertrude Elcik Gamache 1921-2002; Jack’s Mom
  • My Uncle Norman Philip Gamache 1920-2013; Jack’s Dad

1. We know that Anna Eva Gamache and Norman Philip Gamache are siblings.

2. I cannot confirm Jack’s belief that George Michael Elcik (Ilcik) and My Aunt Gertrude were cousins. For him to be a 1st cousin, he would have to be a brother to John Elcik, Jr., which he isn’t. I believe that George was thought of as a cousin by Aunt Gertrude based on his Lisbon Falls’ proximity and the common surname. But unless we can identify the person that connects George with Aunt Gertrude, I think we need to conclude George is one of the “Durhan” Elcik’s and not a direct relation. I know my understanding of cousins once removed and second cousins are poor, so I used the relationship calculator in RootsMagic7. It could not find a relationship for us.

3. This does not change the fact the Anna and George’s marriage represents the only family link we currently have with the “Durham” Elcik’s.

Do you agree?

John, IV

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The Pelcarsky Puzzle Kept Me up

 
I have found three significant references to Pelcarsky in addition to Mary Pelcarsky that married my Great Grandfather.  I also reduced the number of relevant documents (unduplicated facts) to three. 

 
# 1 is your trip to Mt. Calvary Cemetary
 
Anna Pelcarsky 17 SEP 1877 – 22 MAR 1940 = Annie M.
Joseph Karkos 23 MAR 1867 – 21 JUL 1957 = Joseph Paul
Albert Karkos 01 MAR 1914 – 31 JAN 1915
 
There is a second son: Joseph Thomas Karkos who marries Mildred Aris Alexander. Mildred Aris Alexander’s parents are Edgar Butler Alexander and Mabel Palmer.
 
[Comment: If it is true that Anna Pelcarsky is our Mary’s sister then this means there are two ties between the Karkos and Elcik families (one generation apart).
 
Anna Pelcarsky (1877-1940) marries Joseph Karkos (1867-1957)
Annie Elcik (1905-1982) marries George F. Karkos (1899-1965)
 
I think this is true, but it would be good to verify with George E. Karkos.]
 
#2 is Maria Pelcarsky who is married to Paul Ilcik and has a daughter Annie Ilcik.
 
Annie marries Andrew Basala on 19 JAN 1911
Andrew Basala’s parents are John Basala and Annie Chismar.
 
[Comment: Whether Paul Ilcik is a Durham Elcik is unverified. I’m also working to find out if Maria Pelcarsky is related to our Mary Pelcarsky.]  
 
#3 is Mary Pelcarsky in the 1930 United States Census (NOT OUR MARY)
 
Mary was born in Czechoslovakia in 1901 and married Joseph Pelcarsky also born in Czechoslovakia.  
 
They have three sons: Joseph, Edward, Emil; and five daughters: Anna, Hele, Margaret, Mary Phillips, Rose
 
[Comment: There are other Pelcarsky‘s in Ohio that I stopped researching once I was sure that this was a different Mary Pelcarsky and her relatives.]
 
John, IV

Maria Pelcarsky in the entry for Andrew Basala and Annie Ilcik, _Maine Vital Records, 1670-1921_ — FamilySearch.org.pdf

Mary Pelcarsky in the household of Joseph Pelcarsky, _United States Census, 1930_ — FamilySearch.org.pdf

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MyHeritage Discovery


Sun 9/20/2020 3:09 AM

Beth,

I received the email below this morning. It says that MyHeritage can add an entire branch to my family tree with one individual. The Discovery is for Charles Harry Purrington.

The email refreshed my memory as Charles Harry Purrington was the name I sent you as an example. My source for the name Charles Harry Purington was the Elcik family tree by Family Search when I accepted one of their HINTs. To produce the report of individuals, I synced a copy of the FamilySearch tree with my MagicRoots software.

I now recall that this HINT prompted me to discover that before I added you, there were still six Purington individuals in my Ancestry.com tree. Assuming you made FamilySearch entries, I decided to ask if your marriage is the only connection between the Elcik and Purinton branches of the family tree.

The additional HINT from MyHeritage makes me even more curious. Yes, I have six Purington’s (including one Purinton) in my current Ancestry.com tree. But both Family Search and MyHeritage suggest that there are at least 40 more.

I have been focusing on the Elcik, Elsik, and Ilcik surnames, knowing that you have individual trees for the Purington, Day, and Gamache family branches. As marriages occur, I typically follow the spouse’s family for only one generation. The thought I had was that a single generation is enough to identify where our trees meet.

Have we reached the point where a combined tree is needed to answer a research question? Is your marriage to Jack the only connection between the Elcik and Purinton branches of the family tree? Could there be another?

It this clear, or have I muddied the situation more?

John

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Lisbon Historical Society


On Sun, Sep 20, 2020, at 5:26 PM

Lisbon Historical Society <lisbonhistsoc@gmail.com>,

YES. How do you do this?? The name on the gravestone is Ilcik, which was his name when he arrived at Ellis Island. George, as a surviving son, was Bob Elcik’s father. Bob was in Jack’s class.

How do you find these obituaries?

Beth