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Final Answer?

Tue 2/9/2021 8:41 PM
Beth,
A response on the Ancestry Messenger Boards.
I feel better already…  
John

In Hungarian orthography, ‘ly’ is a digraph (two letters treated as one) denoting a sound that has been lost from the standard dialect but still existed in some dialects up to the early 20th century — i.e., just long enough to screw up modern spelling rules. The sound is basically a palatalized L; people who don’t have this sound in their “arsenal” generally hear it as a consonantal /y/ as in “yellow,” but in some contexts, it can sound like a plain /L/ as in “long.” The č/cs (/ch/ like in “church”) sound in Ilčik/Ilycsik would naturally have caused palatalization of the preceding /L/; the Slovak spelling doesn’t mark this, but the Hungarian one does. ~~~~~ The other thing to consider or keep in mind is that surname spelling was variable right up into the twentieth century. In a society where illiteracy was normal, it was only the sound that mattered. There are countless examples of families who didn’t agree on a single spelling, with brothers or cousins using and passing down different versions. This is true even for people who stayed where they were born; for immigrants dropped into yet another language/spelling context, relatives spelling their names the same is the exception.

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Tell the Truth

 

Wed 2/10/2021 2:47 AM

Perhaps you both remember “To Tell the Truth,” a game show where three people, all of who claim to be someone, are questioned by a panel of four celebrities. One of them is the real person, while the other two are just impostors. The panelists take turns questioning the people about their subject and then try to guess which of the three people is the truth-teller.

My version of “To Tell the Truth” is different. Here the host (me) admits he is not 100% sure who the guest is. I provide at least three photos, and my panel of two celebrities (Beth & Nancy) are charged with identifying the guest.

I have prepared two “To Tell the Truth” challenges for you: individual #1 and individual #2.  Bonus points go to the celebrity that identifies other people in a photo. Both challenges have that possibility.

Let the games begin.

Individual #1
Individual #2
John, IV
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Newspapers.com

Fri, Feb 12, 2021, at 6:25 PM
Beth,
Here is a valuable link, if you have not already seen it. FREE access to Newspapers.com for Valentine’s Day Weekend.
Using it I was able to verify the “legend” of Uncle Clyde, my mother’s brother.
Regards,
John, IV

Fri 2/12/2021 11:00 PM
John,
 
Interesting article about your uncle.  You told me about that and now you have the newspaper article to prove it!! 
 
I didn’t know about the free access to Newspapers.com.  Thanks for sending me the link!
 
Beth
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Re: Slovak “Lullaby”

Sat 2/13/2021 9:57 PM
John,

You mentioned that the songs are not at all what you expected and I couldn’t agree more.  It seems both songs are about cooking/food.  The one we call the Nursery Rhyme doesn’t seem to be a Nursery Rhyme at all.  I also think the gestures they make are the grandmother throwing the food in the oven.  I know at the end of the song, they mention Zeda, which is grandfather in Slovak.  I’m guessing you know that.
I haven’t heard back from my friend I gave the flash drive to with the songs on it.  I hope I do soon to compare what he thinks.  
 
This may be another piece to the Slovak songs puzzle being solved.
 
Beth
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Re: Grandparents

Sun 2/14/2021 10:55 PM
John,

My sister-in-law called her grandfather Dzedo and my brother, her husband, goes by Dzedo to his grandchildren.  She goes by Bubba.
I don’t think it’s any different for other nationalities.  My best friend’s grandchildren call her Mammy and her husband, Papa.  We don’t know the Slovak language, and that’s why we’re having problems with grandmother and grandfather’s words and spellings.  
It’s very interesting to learn about the different spellings, etc., of the Slovak language.  Zlatica, aka Goldie, has been a wonderful source of information about that.  She’s a gem for sure, and you’re lucky to be in touch with her.
 
Beth