Tue 7/21/2020 9:19 AM
John,
Very interesting.
John Elcik | Supervisor CPS team 69 Tel # 631-854-9342
DNA Story Update
Tag: DNA
Background Information
July 21, 2020
Beth,
My site combines all the trees. Your practice of smaller trees makes better sense. The Skillin (Mom’s side) just blew mine up. Somehow I got a lot of ancient records. I’m investigating. š
You show the father of John P. Elcik, Jr. (married to Mary Byras) to be Andrew Walker Elcik (1925-2000). Working off the 1910 Census, I concluded that John, Jr.’s father to be John Elsik (1866-1941) Sr. What do you think? The spouse for John, Sr. is giving me a headache. Two names: Mary Jonek and Mary Helen Parcheky, are candidates, but dates are part of the problem. Still researching. Several Stories show my journey that can be found in the Gallery on my record.
My current operating theory is that there have been at least three waves of immigrants arriving in America with the same or similar surnames.
- John Elcik (1886-1982) married to Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906.) Ancestry says John is the husband of a great-aunt.
- John Elsik (1866-1941) married Mary Helen Parcheky (1875-1936) through whom I, Dad, and John, Jr. are descended. In the 1910 Census, he changed the name from Elsik to Elcik for everyone but himself. John Immigrated in 1891 and Mary in 1896. 2 sources verify both immigrations. Ancestry says John is my great-grandfather.
- Andrew J. Elcik (1911-1995) married Jeannie Pascarella through whom many of the New York Elcik’s are descended. He came to America through Elis Island in the late ’30s or early ’40s, and the name was changed to Elcik from Ilcik. Ancestry has found no family links. He could be “stepson of a great-aunt,” I am still researching.
Confused yet? I believe all three families will be shown as related, if and when we “jump the pond” to Europe. We all come from Europe (Austria/Hungry), spoke Slovak, and had a Catholic upbringing.
Another item of interest. The name was spelled Elcik in the 1910 Census but was spelled Elick in the 1930 and 1940 Censuses. The 1950 Census has yet to be published. I need to change them to Elcik as the preferred spelling, but several records may still show Elick. I plan on leaving Elcik, Sr. as Elsik as it is the spelling that I hope to get results with outside the U.S.
I’m showing Andrew W. Elcik, Jr. (1953-2016) as my 2nd Cousin and Andrew John Elcik (1911-1951) as the stepson of a great-aunt. This is an ideal example to show the difficulties that similar names cause us. Andrew J. Elcik (18 Nov 1911-16 MAR 1995) and Andrew John Elcik (26 OCT 1911-04 APR 1951) is an actual research problem for me. Andrew J. is the grandfather of my Elcik contact in New York, while Andrew John Elcik is a known relative. Thus, I have just told the New York John Elcik that I can’t show a family connection, yet. But I am having fun.
I sent you two pictures and 3 documents through the mail. I don’t think documents can be exchanged within Ancestry’s new Messenger service.
John, IV
P.S. Someday, ask me about my DNA story.
DNA Testing
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, at 8:29 PM
Judy,
Ouch! I feel your pain.
Educate me. Which test do you want to do?
I had been looking at the Family Tree tests until you had such a bad experience. They also had been at the top of my list as they appear to have more Slovak DNA than the other big names. Relatively, few Europeans take DNA tests with our American companies. Or so Iām told.
Does Ancestry offer one test, or do they have options?
How is the new test different? What results are you looking for?
Warmest regards,
John
DNA Test Material Gone
Wed 7/22/2020 11:06 AM
Judy,
Your situation may have prompted FTDNA to make changes. I read somewhere that they promise now to retain data. ?
John, IV
New York Elcik’s
July 23, 2020, 10:15 PM
Beth,
Have you ever googled the Elcik name? If you have, there are a lot more of them than you would think. Many have the same given names. Some of them lived in Lisbon Falls before moving to New York.
My theory is that we are related. I can’t prove it. I suspect that the actual connection occurred before we immigrated to America. I reached out to a John Elcik in Rocky Point, New York, and we together have been exploring the possibility. Two of my messages and several of the Life Stories I have posted are about this theory. To date, we have not been able to identify any common ancestors.
I agree about the virus. I also don’t travel much. I don’t even leave the house much. Pam is adventurous. Not me. I miss cruises.
John Elcik from Rocky Point, New York, and his relatives are in the tree. He is listed as John Elcik, NY.
This also explains my reference to DNA testing. However, this is not my DNA story. It takes longer to tell.
John, IV
Re: The Elcik Family Tree
July 24, 2020, 12:00 PM
John, IV,
I love the joke (if you will) about the mother, father, and daughter. Maybe that explains all our DNA and why some of us are messed up more than others! Lol…
You, dear John, have much more computer experience and expertise than I do. I’m just a hacker trying to figure all this out. I think I’m doing pretty good considering my limited knowledge. Ancestry is my only tool other than people I have been fortunate enough to know personally plus visiting many cemeteries in the area. This all piques my interest and keeps me up nights wondering who’s who. Your help with the Elcik family has been tremendous, and I’m so happy we’ve connected here.
There’s a family in Lisbon Falls, last name Karkos, BUT his mother was Annie Elcik, your grandfather John’s sister whom I know well. I’ve meant to talk to him because I understand he has some knowledge of the Elcik ancestry. I just called him, left a message, and hopefully, he’ll call back, and I’ll be able to meet with him. I Will let you know what happens. I have a few minutes and will try to “fix” some of my mistakes with the John P. Elciks. Wish me luck.
I looked at and copied the documents you sent. Thank you so much for this info. I love the one you wrote about the pronunciation of your surname. I’m convinced you’re a genius!!! I hope that doesn’t make your head swell!!!
Beth
Re: The Elcik Family Tree
July 24, 2020, 02:27 PM
Beth,
First, I think you are awesome. What you have done is incredible. Your work ethic in getting so much done is incredible. It, too, must be DNA. š I had a Facebook conversation with Janet (Lucas) about her parents and how I remember them as hard working. It is nice to know our children are inheriting these genes.
Karkos is a name I know from my research. I will eMail you something about him as soon as I find it. š Please let me know when you get the email. I tried adding a picture at the last minute. Its file is larger than some eMail program support. š
One more question? Can you find out if Annie’s parents came from Parhovjani S, Czechoslovakia? What can she or Terry tell us about how the name would have been spelled in Europe? Elsik? Or something else? You have access to a goldmine of information. Awesome! You are making my day, week, month, year… and more!
Beth, I love the information about our family that we find out in our research. But truthfully, without the software tools, this would have been too much for me to handle. You are the real expert. Interviewing to collect data. That is over the moon. I’m taking a bulldozer approach with software tools, and I feel like the proverbial bull in a china shop. I hope not to break anything.
I’m coming to a “radical” opinion about some of this. I’m beginning to see what we do as a project to PRESERVE FAMILY HISTORY first, and as an ancestry research project second, if at all. Could this shift in goal get us more support? I’m giving thought to ways we can collaborate more. I’m getting so much from this. THANK YOU!
I’m willing to bet that Terry would love to have a copy of Annie’s photo. She is about 5 years old. š
John, IV