Re: Autosomal DNA
Tag: DNA
Re: DNA Confusion
Mon 9/28/2020 6:04 PM
Hi John,
Very interesting story. You have a very stable marriage with deep love as I do. We put up with so much and remain in love.
My husband is a bleeding heart liberal and this election should tear us apart but it doesn’t. I love him deeply.
You get the picture.
Anyways, I forgot to say to you, your daughter’s DNA is mtDNA. That is the womb DNA. That is how, when a dead baby is discovered, they can take a DNA test. mtDNA cannot be transferred in the male but he carries it. In a woman, it passes to both son and daughter.
So doing the Autosomal DNA, and yes, I will wait. Plenty of time, as it is the best.
All the Best,
Judy
Re: DNA Confusion
Mon 9/28/2020 9:38 PM
Judy,
I picked up on a possibility you mentioned in your last post.
Thus, I have been trying all afternoon and evening to get 23andMe data to Ancestry. Apparently, this is not possible.
A more positive development is my search resulted in my locating a login and password for my brother Jeff’s DNA test. What is most interesting to us is that our ancestors were not just from the Czech Republic; Poland also fits nicely into our background. We have a mix of Northwestern (49.5%) and Eastern European (41.9%) heritage. I’m attaching a copy of Jeff’s Composition Report, where it mentions Podkarpackie Voivodeship, Poland.
I’m encouraged by this. I hope you are too. ?
John, IV
Autosomal DNA
Tue 9/29/2020 3:13 PM
Hi John,
In answer to your question, yes, getting the raw data and n old password is NOT worth the time.
I have attached how the autosomal DNA looks like. I have over 13,000 matches, so I printed a couple of pages.
Also, your daughter’s MtDNA is the “womb” DNA. I cannot find the page you sent me, but I think it was Haplogroup C. Mine is Haplogroup H56. You can look both up online. Her MtDNA has nothing to do with us as a family. Now your son carries this MtDNA but cannot transfer it to his children. His children will get their MtDNA from their mother.
There is a discount if I refer you, and I get a $10.00 gift card from Amazon, so you will have to order it from Amazon when you are ready.
Autosomal DNA is sooooooo much fun. It tells you how we would relate us.
You worked too hard trying to get the raw data.
But, when you are ready and do the autosomal DNA form Ancestry, I would need your raw data to put in GEDMATCH.
You can learn about the HVR1 and HVR2 online and type in the coding regions.
Enjoy,
Judy
Why Did Czech Immigrants Come to America?
Nancy and Beth,
I just finished asking you both to see if we can address the question, “Where did our ancestors come from in Europe.” There is another equally compelling question, “Why Did Czech Immigrants Come to America?”
Czech Immigration
The first major immigration of Czechs occurred in 1848 when the Czech “Forty Eighters” fled to the United States to escape the Austrian Habsburgs’ political persecution. Unlike previous immigration, new immigrants were predominantly Catholic.
My father was raised Catholic while his children were not. I recollect that he left the Catholic Church over getting someone (his mother?) buried in the Church Cemetery. There was some issue about the last rites. I was too young to understand at the time and never followed up.
Present-day Slavic people are classified into:
- East Slavs (chiefly Belarusians, Russians, Rusyns, and Ukrainians),
- West Slavs (chiefly Czechs, Kashubs, Poles, Silesians, Slovaks, and Sorbs)
- South Slavs (chiefly Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs, and Slovenes).
Do you know in which group we belong to? I don’t.
Against the wishes of many of its 15 million citizens, Czechoslovakia today split into two countries: Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
To quote a Czech Genealogist, Kate Challis recently posted the following:
“The 19th-century pattern was for Czechs who emigrated to the United States from the old country to do so in patterns of chain migration. They came together, lived together, worked together, migrated together, married together, and stayed together even through terrible marriages. They had many children together, they died together, and they are buried together.”
The Slavic Language
Slovak is the language spoken in Slovakia, a country in Central Europe. It is a language from the Slavic language family. It is very similar to Czech, and Czechs and Slovaks understand each other quite well when they speak their own language. Polish and Sorbian are also quite similar. This latter fact, along with Jeff’s DNA test, suggests that Judy Spivak, a valued contributor to My Cousins, is our relative through her Polish father.
My father could speak a little Czech. He understood it, but he did not know how to write it. He was what is called a heritage speaker.
John, IV
Re: Autosomal DNA
Monday, September 28, 2020, 4:50 PM
Hi John,
Sure. No problem waiting but I think you’re cute waiting for the discount. You’re like my husband. Good for you.
Okay, the YDNA is separate. And if your daughter did the autosomal with 23 and me, then there is a system, maybe, for a transfer to Ancestry. Not sure.
Anyways, I want your autosomal DNA not mixed with your wife’s DNA.
Don’t concern yourself with your YDNA. You and your son have the same.
I’m just interested in YOUR family to see HOW we are connected.
So I am very lazy, on your side, I can wait as long as you promise to do it????
Trump 2020. YEAH.
JUDY
Beth Gamache’s Introduces John Elcik to Bill Cizmar
Mon 10/12/2020 12:15 PM
Bill,
Beth Gamache has been trying to introduce us and has just shared your email with me. She is married to my 1st Cousin Jack and is a co-author of an eBook we are writing about our collaboration on ancestry research.
I apologize if I missed it; I can’t find any evidence of a Facebook invitation from you. Could you have reached out to one of the other Facebook John Elcik’s? If so, it is just one more piece of evidence that the same name can create identification issues. This is true in real life, as well as ancestry research. 🙂
- My Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jelcik
- John Elcik (my son J.P., V): https://www.facebook.com/john.p.elcik
- John Elcik (Rocky Point, New York): https://www.facebook.com/john.elcik
I am reachable through Facebook (above) or email at johnelcik@msn.com.
Bill, I understand from Beth that we both share interests in Ancestry. Better yet for me, Beth tells me you know a lot about Lisbon. Beth is so happy that you introduced her to the Historical Society 3 years ago.
Our brick wall has been to find a link between two Elcik families and/or “jump the pond” to Europe to locate the 6th generation of our Elcik family.
Also, I apologize that this email will be so long. It has allowed me to summarize where we are and clarify our goals.
Background Information
John Elsik (1866-1941) married Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936) through whom I (IV), Dad (III), and John (Jr.) descended. In the 1910 Census, John Elsik identified his surname as Elsik. Elcik is the spelling used for the rest of the family. John immigrated in 1891 and Mary in 1896. Ancestry and I agree that John Elsik is my great-grandfather.
John Elcik (1886-1982) was married to Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906. He came to America through Ellis Island, and the name was changed to Elcik from Ilcik, as told to his grandson. His son, Andrew J. Elcik (1911-1995), married Jeannie Pascarella through whom many of the “New York” Elcik’s descended. This family includes my “New York” contact: John Elcik.
A 1940 Census document for Joseph’s family (sons John J. and James G.) uses the “Elsik” spelling of the Ilcik’s surname. This s particularly significant to us. This is the first instance I have found of John Elcik (New York) direct relatives using this spelling, which can also be traced back to my Great Grandfather John Elsik, Sr.
Thanks to Beth’s research, we know one connection between the New York Elcik’s and us. Their George Elcik (in the 1920 Census) married Jack’s father’s sister Anna Gamache. The is not a blood relationship, yet both my John Elcik (Rocky Point, NY) contact and I think there should be one. We all come from Western Europe (Austria/Hungry/Slovakia), spoke Slovak, and have a Catholic heritage.
Our Goals
We all believe the two families are more directly related, if and when, we can “jump the pond” to Europe. I briefly subscribed to Ancestry World Discovery to locate European Ancestors. I also have been trying to find an immigration document.
I am looking hard for a European location to reach out to other descendants of our forefathers. But Europe is a big continent, and I have reached the proverbial brick wall. Individual responses in Census reports on our European origins are nonspecific. How our ancestors identified is as follows:
- Czech Republic (14)
- Austria (13)
- Austria-Hungary (4)
- Hungary (4)
- Slovakia (4)
- Austria-Slovakia (3)
The responses may be due as much to economics and politics as to specific geography.
My father always said we came here from Czechoslovakia, but our immigration in the late 1800s came before its creation.
As for geographic locations, I have found one reference to Parhovjani S, Czechoslovakia. Unfortunately, I don’t think it exists anymore. And the literal translations are “parking lot.” Lol.
Based on the spelling of Elcik as Elsik in the 1910 Federal Census, I believe the surname spelling to research is Elsik. Or perhaps, Ilcik, if the Durham Elcik’s are relatives.
Beth tells me that you might know ways of researching documents, etc. that we don’t.
Any tips you have would be very welcome. In addition to searching for immigration documents, I think a DNA test might help break the brick wall.
It is a pleasure to meet another ancestry enthusiast. I would like it very much if we can become friends as well.
Warmest regards,
John
Dr. John P. Elcik, IV
15117 Cloverdale Drive
Fort Myers, FL 33919
(561) 543-3626 (my wife Pam’s cell phone)
johnelcik@msn.com