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Why Is There No Y in Elcik?

Sun 1/31/2021 3:27 PM
Beth,
I woke up singing, “Why is there no Y in Ilcsik?” to the tune, “The monkeys have no tails in Zamboanga.”
No way this song makes the Billboard top 10.
I don’t drink very often, but I thought about a beer to cry into. It would be a first, Lol.
The Summary Status of my “record” collection:
  • # of “Elcik’s” in the MyCousins Tree = 82 people
For now, I will use four folders to keep my Elcik “records” organized.
  • Elcik [decendents of John Elsik] – 70 people
  • Elcik [decendents of John Ilcik] – 76 people
  • Elcik [Ilcsik antecedents of John Elsik] – Maybe, hundreds
  • Elcik [Ilycsik antecedents of John Ilcik] – 45 people
Why, oh why, is there no Y in Ilcsik?
Pam is considering a Family intervention.
Jan Elycsik
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Grandparents

Sun 2/14/2021 1:01 AM
Beth,
 
I agree. My father always used Zeda for grandfather and Buba (one or two “b’s”?) for grandmother. My mother put “Buba” on her gravestone. I have yet, however,  to find those translations in any Slovak dictionary. This may be where Goldie’s reference to different Slovak dialects is relevant.
 

Maybe it isn’t a translation, but rather nicknames they used for their grandparents, much like my children used Popie for Pam’s father. 

Meanwhile, here are links to what I found for each term.

 

Grandmother

Interesting,

John. IV

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One Great Leap

Mon 3/15/2021 2:45 PM
Beth,
I’m putting the following on the Ancestry messenger account for John J. Elcik, where the DNA discovery was made. Please note that I realize I’m writing to a “dead” man.  I try to make that clear with the heading. 
John, IV
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To: John J. Elcik (1943-2018)

From: John P. Elcik, IV (1952-)
Dear John,
Two years ago today, exactly 3/15/19, 7:20 AM, your son, and namesake John Elcik and I communicated. Part of the conversation went like this.
“Hi, John [your son writing], we definitely must be related besides having the same last name. I notice you are from Lisbon Falls, Maine! My grandfather Andrew Elcik was born in Lisbon Falls on a farm in 1911.  He eventually settled in New York City and raised his family in Queens, New York. My father just recently passed away, was also named John Elcik. My father’s brother Andrew Elcik is still alive and lives in Plainview.  Who were your father and grandfather? I know there is a very direct relationship here.”
We agreed, and I have attempted to link my great grandfather with your grandfather for two years.
  • John Elsik (1866-1941) married Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936), through whom I (IV), Dad (III), and John (Jr.) descended. In the 1910 Census, John Elsik identified his surname as Elsik. Elcik is the spelling used for the rest of the family.  John immigrated in 1891 and Mary in 1896. Ancestry and I agree that John Elsik is my great-grandfather.
  • John Elcik (1886-1982) married Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906. He came to America through Ellis Island, and the name was changed to Elcik from Ilcik, as told to his grandson. His son, Andrew J. Elcik (1911-1995), married Jeannie Pascarella through whom many of the “New York” Elcik’s descended. This family includes you and your son: my “New York” contact.

Early on, a link between your family and ours was found.  George Elcik (your family) married Anna Gamache, the sister of Norman Gamache.  Norman is my uncle, and his son Jack is my 1st cousin. This would not be a blood relative, but it has been the best the co-author of my eBook, MyCousins, could do. Her name is Beth Purinton Gamache, and she is married to Jack.

I think your son lost patience with the effort to link families as progress has been slow.  He dropped out of the search before I found the gravesite of my Great-grandfather. John, Sr.’s burial site was the first solid (rock hard) evidence that the families are related. Engraved on his gravestone are the letters, “ILCIK.” Then, there are baptismal records for our family that introduce new spellings of the family surname: Ilycsik and Ilcsik.
Today, I decided to do some research on the DNA finds in my Ancestry.com account. I search for the Elcik surname, and I get a hit for 1_jelcik.  The Family Tree associated with the hit has only two names, and one is private. The father of the DNA match is shown to be Andrew Elcik (1911).  On the family tree, this would make the DNA that of John J. Elcik (1943-2018), who is the father of John Elcik in Rocky Point, New York. This is your DNA. I do wish we could have met.
May we all celebrate?  I think this is a remarkable accomplishment for Elcik genealogy. The Ancestry relationship calculator is now telling me that you and I are related.  As for your son, he is my “great-grandnephew of husband of grandaunt.” I can almost understand this description.
I have no idea why I couldn’t find your DNA match sooner. I also don’t know if anyone will ever read this letter. Yes, I know you passed in 2018.  Should your son: “Rocky Point John” read this, I hope he will reach out. I am putting the final touches on the Elcik family tree and eBook, a family history, and an Elcik website.  It would be a pleasure to share.  The Elcik’s have traveled far.
Can we all agree to celebrate?
John P. Elcik, IV
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MyCousins – We Have Traveled Far

Elcik family in 1910 - We Have Traveled Far

 “Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” ― Benjamin Franklin.

Ancestry research is rewarding and fun. There is both the joy of learning and the satisfaction of solving puzzles. Ancestry research benefits come with involvement. If anything, this book seeks to involve you and others in the same journey Beth and I have taken.

What have we learned?

The parents of John P. Elcik, Sr.  were John P. Elcik (obituary reference) and the mysterious Elizabeth Baron.

John P. Elcik, Sr. had three previously unknown to us siblings:

  • George Elcik, born 1866 in Parchovany, Slovakia
  • Anna Elcik, born 1870 in Parchovany, Slovakia
  • Joseph P. Elcik, born 1875 in Parchovany, Slovakia

Historical

  • Joseph, the youngest brother, would have been too young to make the initial journey to America but immigrated 10 years later. He is part of the chain migration that gets talked about in history books. He would join John working as a washer in a local woolen mill.
  • We can tie the journey to America to both political and economic unrest. Austria-Hungary, as an Empire, was broken up into smaller countries, including the Czech Republic. Our relatives gave only general references to their place of origin as Austria-Hungary in official government documents like the U.S. Federal Census.  Both John Elcik, III, and John J. Elcik contributed to the oral record with Czechoslovakia references.
  • The Elcik’s began life in America as day laborers and demonstrated a strong work ethic of which we should be proud. By working hard, they experienced homeownership when few did.  Elcik’s participated in Androscoggin County‘s growth by working in the woolen and paper mills that fueled Maine’s early growth. Throughout the 1900s, male and female Elcik’s worked in the Woolen Mills. The Worumbo Mill was a historic mill on the Androscoggin Riverbank in Lisbon Falls, Maine. Founded in 1864, it was at one point the community’s largest employer. John P. Elcik, Sr. was a boss at the mill for 3o years. John P. Elcik, Jr. and other male ancestors worked at the Pejepscot Paper Company.  Today, it is a historic mill building located off U.S. 201 in Topsham, Maine, on the Androscoggin River banks, across from Brunswick.
  • The Elcik family, along with our adopted country, values education. Education was not easy to come by in the 1900s, but the Elcik’s benefited from what was available. Today, there are many college graduates in the family. Our careers include professions like teaching and medicine.
  • Our European ancestry is unlikely to be tied to the surname Elcik. Neither is it likely to be Elsik and Ilcik as we originally thought. Instead, based on Catholic church baptism records, we need to look for “Ilycsik” and “Ilcsik.” As for locations, the most likely place to look is Parchovany, Slovakia.

Puzzles Solved

  • We now know that John P. Elcik, Sr. and Mary Pelcarsky are buried in St. Cyril Cemetry, Lisbon Falls. There are a dozen other family members also buried in the same cemetery.  We also know that John’s obituary names John P. Elcik as his father.  Could the naming of all the John Elcik’s be off by a generation? Unthinkable.  Another obituary had  Joseph Elcik’s daughters misidentified as siblings. Fortunately, Charlie Hall caught the error.
  • Mary Pelcarsky is our textbook example of the spelling problems that plagued our research. There are multiple alternative spellings of Mary’s maiden surname: Mary Polscoke is John Elcik’s mother on his 20 FEB 1896 birth, Maine Vital Records; Mary Pelchascay is John Elcik’s mother on his marriage to Mary Byrus (sic), Maine Marriage Index; Mary Palcsak is Mary Elcik’s mother upon her 4 OCT 1915 wedding to John Dutko, Maine Marriage Index; Mary Pelesaky is Michael J. Elcik’s mother on his 1 AUG 1930 marriage to Annie H. Sero, Maine Marriage Index to name a few. George F. Karkos says Annie spelled her mother’s name as Pelcarsky. We give her the last word.
  • John Elcik, Jr. married twice and most likely left an inheritance when he sold his house and married the second time. A surviving letter by Auntie Gertrude hints at this, but details are lost.
  • Annie Elcik (1905-1982), shown in the 1910 photo at the age of 5, grows up and marries George F. Karkos (1899-1965). We first learned of this in Karkos Kronicles, a website created by Terry L. Karkos, a former reporter and photojournalist at Sun Journal (Lewiston, Maine). We recently confirmed a second connection between the Elcik and Karkos families. We have Maria Anna Pelcarsky’s obituary (my Great-grandmother), and she DID have a sister: Anna (Pelcarsky) Karkos. Terry tells us that Anna’s parents were Joseph K. Pelcarsky and Anna Belyan. Belyan was born c. 1848 and died in Lisbon Falls on March 1, 1938. Anna Pelcarsky was born 9-17-1877 in Parchovany, Slovakia. He goes on to note that Joseph K. was 26 when he married 15-year-old Anna Pelcarsky.
  • A 2nd connection between the Purinton and Elcik families is found. The Elcik family tree has 15 Purington, and 27 Purrington currently on it. And since we both know neither family can spell it stands to reason Beth and I are related beyond her marriage to my 1st cousin Jack. We put the question to resident expert Charlie Hall who concludes, “we have to go back to the first American born generation for the common ancestor: John Purington, 1635 – 1692. Not sure how many DNA elements would be found, fewer than between John IV and Jack most certainly.”
  • John Elcik of Rocky Point, New York, is related both by marriage and by blood. His cousin, George Elcik, married Anna Gamache. George was called cousin by my Auntie Gertrude, but there is no blood relationship. By marrying Anna, Uncle Norman’s sister, a marital relationship exists between what we mistakenly called the Lisbon Falls and The Durham Elcik’s. Both family’s ties to America begin in Durham, Maine. The blood relation is revealed by DNA testing.  Both John P. Elcik, IV and John J. Elcik’s DNA are on file at Ancestry.com.
  • DNA also identifies four “new to us” cousins:
            • Judy Lakkis, a retired Xray Technician. Her father is John Chester Spivak, his father was Timothy Spivak, and his mother was Tessie Spivak. They are originally from Poland.
            • Zlatica Beca, “born under Czechoslovakia’s flag in eastern Slovakia further East of Parchovany in Vinne.”
            • Earl Williams, a Lisbon Historical Society member and part of our “Fabulous Seven” research team.
            • An as-yet-unnamed Turkish cousin.

Family Celebrity

  • Elizabeth Mabie Elcik, a noteworthy Fashion illustrator according to Marquis’s “Who’s Who in American Women,” “Who’s Who in America,” and “Who’s Who in the World.” From fads such as the early ’90s safari-look to timeless pantsuits for the modern businesswoman, she has practically drawn them all.
  • Eugene Elcik, a Maine native who writes with a New England flavor. Eugene “Gene” Elcik’s novels are: “Challenges,” “Desperation of Souls,” “The Lobsterman of Deep Cove, Maine,”; “Shiloh, the Deception of a Cult, (1861- 1951)”; “The Confessional, the Sins Within;” and “Beyond the Snows of Maine.”

Check out the In the News feature on MyCousins for other family members who’s activities made the Internet.

Contributions

The Elcik Family Tree on Ancestry.com has grown substantially and covers much more than the Elcik’s.  It has 5,217 people, 3,271 photos, 428 life stories, and 6,051 records. Even so, Ancestry HINTs still offer 3,189 people and 26,535 records to explore. It is the addition of priceless pictures and life stories that have seen the most exciting changes.

  • There is a 1951 photo of John Elcik, Jr., thanks to Jeff, Jack, and Nancy.
  • A wedding photo of John Elcik, Jr., and Mary Byrus, thanks to Mark.
  • The naturalization document for Andrew Byras, thanks to Nancy.
  • A wedding photo of Aunt Gertrude and Uncle Norman, thanks to Becky.
  • Quality photos of family gravesites, thanks to Beth
  • Wanda’s letter with the words to the Slovak nursery song from Becky.
  • Becky’s Moulton family stories.
  • Beth’s Puddington family history.
  • Thanks to Janet, we have Chapman Cottage pictures, the B&B, which was once the Lucas home.
  • And numerous photos and letters that came from John Elcik III through Jeff.

Still to Do

  • Two family recipes are missing: a kielbasa recipe from George Elcik and a homebrew recipe from Jack’s grandfather, Edmond. Jack and his dad, George, and Bob, went to Durham to smoke the kielbasa because John Ilcik had a smokehouse. After John died, George asked Jack’s dad to smoke the kielbasa at his house. John, IV remembers the smokehouse and the dark beer though he would have been too young to drink the latter.
  • Nancy (Gamache) Kaskmer has the naturalization papers for Andrew Byras (1865-1945), and they indicate Kisfalucsko, Hungary, is another place where the Byras family came from. We want to research this in more detail. Our first pass suggests that the town may no longer exist. Also, can we locate the naturalization papers for others?
  • Will DNA or other records help us identify and meet European relations?
  • Our ongoing research interests are posted both with John’s Ancestry profile and on Ancestry’s Message Boards.

Final Observations

Our reference to a World Tree in the introduction to “My Cousins” has merit. There already are several. The FamilySearch Family Tree at FamilySearch.org is the world’s largest online family tree. We have entered name and date data hoping that our European cousins will do the same. If so, it could be the vehicle to knock down the brick wall that has hampered locating families in Europe.

The distinction between a family tree and family history is a point we wish to make. By adding life stories and photos to the Ancestry.com site, we transition from just a family tree to recording family history.  If sources separate a family tree from mythology, our life stories and photos provide actual life lessons. Isn’t this the true purpose and value of history?

The time to write stories and collect photos is now. We have traveled far. Will you join us?

Dr. John P. Elcik, IV           Beth (Purinton) Gamache

john@mycousins.org      beth@mycousins.org

P.S. Remember the baby lullabies that John III and Uncle Richard would sing.  We have the words, and they are men’s drinking songs. Did they know?

What can I do with these women, we went to bar they came after us, we ordered, they drank and when came to pay they hid. – Zlatica Beca

2nd song says something like 2 guys were walking to church but they stopped at the Halley (Hall or club) and got pianni (drunk). Then they went to church and prayed that their wives would let them in the house! – Dan Gamache

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Join Us in Preserving Our Family’s Heritage

Join us in going forward.

Hopefully, each of us will heroically dig into the basement and search the attic for photos that can be added to the family history.

[In Florida, this means the garage as we don’t have a basement. Heroic is not a term I chose haphazardly. Take a look at the pictures below of my garage. Lol. Beth has both a basement and an attic, with perhaps double the opportunity for heroics? – John]

Some of you will be superheroes and write Life Stories to share with us.

Whatever your contribution, future generations are sure to be grateful,

Please send your “artifacts” to:

John Elcik
15117 Cloverdale Drive
Fort Myers, FL 33919
john@mycousins.org

 

From my point of view, this is scary. Notice that there is no commonality between these two pictures. This means it never gets better. Ouch!

 

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My Story – Afterward by Beth Purington Gamache

I love MyCousins

 

I knew all my close and immediate family members, including aunts, uncles, cousins, etc., growing up. Still, I NEVER realized how big my family was until I joined My Heritage and then Ancestry months later.  What an eye-opener that was for me.

In 2018 I went to a cemetery in West Bowdoin, ME, where my sister-in-law told me lots of my ancestors were buried.  So one sunny day, off we went with my camera in hand and what a surprise I got.  I took lots of pictures of gravestones that day, not knowing who or how many of them were related to me.

I remember my mom and dad going to West Bowdoin, ME, and Bangor, ME, to visit my dad’s Purinton cousins.  I wasn’t interested in relatives then because they were my dad’s cousins, and why would I want to see them.  This brings me to that day at the West Bowdoin cemetery, where I saw gravestones of families who spelled their name Purinton, Purrington, and Purington. The Puddington spelling had been changed to Purrington, then Purington, and eventually Purinton by most family members. I recognized some of them but not all.  My question at the time was, HOW are they related to ME. After a year or more research, most of my questions were answered thanks to information I obtained on My Heritage and Ancestry.

During that time, I joined the Lisbon Historical Society and met some wonderful people who helped me search and answer many questions about my family.  One person, in particular, Charlie Hall, had been on Ancestry for 20+ years, and he became a valuable source of information for me.  He even researched some of my Purinton family members that I was having trouble with.  He also discovered that he and I are related through the Goddards (my mother’s maiden name is Goddard.)  After my Purinton family tree was complete, I started doing the Goddard family tree, Croteau (my grandmother, my mom’s mom was a Croteau), and Day family tree.  My grandmother Purinton’s maiden name was Day.  I spent a year doing their family trees.

I can trace my Purinton family history back to Devonshire, England, and to a town named Puddington, a small village 8 miles west southwest of Tiverton, England.  It is also believed that is how Andrew Puddington b 1588 got his name.  My family descends from Andrew, and our surname’s spelling was changed over the years to Pudington, Purrington, Purington, and eventually to Purinton, which is how my family spells our name.  Some families still spell it Purington, and I’m convinced we’re all related.

I am fascinated by genealogy and Ancestry and can get lost in research, documents, birth, death, and marriage certificates, among other things.  An important thing to remember, for me anyway, is the use of multiple software platforms to achieve my goals and to “find answers” to my questions.  I have found similar and sometimes the same information on Ancestry and My Heritage.  I have also used Family Search for historical information.  I take lots of notes with names, dates, and any added information I can find to make the best and most accurate conclusion I can to connect people to the correct family.

Fast forward to 2020, and here I am, helping John Elcik IV write an eBook about the Elcik family.  (My husband’s mother’s maiden name was Elcik.)  I hadn’t done too much with the Elcik family tree because I was focused primarily on my family.  Thank goodness John, and I have been collaborating on that tree because I’m positive I wouldn’t have been able to do so by myself.

What an interesting journey it has been for both of us.  We work well together, John as the writer and me as “the go-getter/editor,” if you will.  I live in Lisbon Falls and can go to cemeteries, take pictures, which by the way, I love to do, and I have also reached out to my friends at the Historical Society for help.  There are still families living in Lisbon Falls I’ve reached out to for help and have “tested their memories” about their ancestors.

When John uses the phrase “We Have Traveled Far,” he’s absolutely correct.  Not only have our families traveled far geographically, but we’ve also traveled far in our research.

Word. Beth deserves the last post,  but I take the last word.  – John, IV