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We Have Turkish Cousins

 
Wed 11/11/2020 6:47 AM
 
Beth,
 
FYI, there are over a thousand Turkish Elcik’s, which is interesting considering the results of my brother’s DNA test. 
 
My brother Jeff took a 23andMe DNA test. Through the 5th generation, our known ancestors came from the Czech Republic and Austria to the United States in the late 1800s. But our family background is more diverse than I ever knew.
 
Quoting 23andMe, “You most likely had a third-great-grandparent, fourth-great-grandparent, fifth-great-grandparent, sixth-great-grandparent, or seventh-great- (or greater) grandparent who was 100% Anatolian. This person was likely born between 1700 and 1820.”
 
So, what is Anatolian?
 
Anatolia, Turkish Anadolu, also called Asia Minor, the peninsula of land today, constitutes the Asian portion of Turkey.
 
This brings to the table new definitions of the meaning of “elcik.”  Here are some from a Turkish dictionary.
 
TurkishEnglish
elcikpull n.
elcikhandgrip n.
elcikhandle n.
elcikglider n.
elcikgrip n.
 
Considering I had been given “zipper” as a meaning for Elcik, these definitions complement that assertion. It simply narrows the scope to the “pull” on a zipper. 🙂 
 
I have referred to my Turkish friends on Facebook as Surname buddies as we share the Elcik surname. In the eBook we are writing called “My Cousins,” I think they qualify as cousins. Wow!
 
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Terry L. Karkos, Maine Genealogist

 

November 19 at 1:38 PM.

[Terry L. Karkos is a former Staff writer, a photojournalist at Sun Journal (Lewiston, Maine).  His genealogy website KarlosChronicles.com was one of the first Slovak websites I visited.  There I learned “that George F. Karkos was born in Lisbon Falls on September 11, 1899. He married Annie M. Elcik in Lisbon Falls on February 9, 1925. Annie, born in Durham, Maine, on April 10, 1905, to John and Mary (Pelcarsky) Elcik, died in Lisbon Falls on May 14, 1982. George died in Brunswick, Maine, on April 7, 1965.” Annie had a twin sister named
Elizabeth.” – Dr. John P. Elcik, IV – Editor]

John, IV – Do you know if there is a family relationship between Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936) and Anna Pelcarsky Karkos (1877-1940? This would be the second relationship between Elcik and Karkos families as Annie M. Elcik (1905) married George F. Karkos in 1925.

Terry – No. I know Anna’s parents were Joseph Pelcarsky and Anna Belyan, though. Belyan was born c. 1848 and died in Lisbon Falls on March 1, 1938. Anna Pelcarsky was born 9-17-1877 in Parchovany, Slovakia. The funny thing is, Joseph K was 26 when he married 15-year-old Anna Pelcarsky. Wondering if it was an arranged marriage

John, IV – Thank you! This is the second time you have helped me. Years ago, when your website was active, I first learned about Annie Elcik from you. I hope you choose to bring your website back. It was well done. Warmest regards!

Terry – Working on bringing it back. I need to find a site to park it again. Thanks, John. Glad I could help

John, IV – I might be able to help. I have extra space on my SiteGround account. I could set up a WordPress site for you if you wish. Are you familiar with WordPress? Us Genealogists should stick together.

Terry – I have heard of WordPress. My brother in Utah sent me a site to check out. I will get my site back up. Several people have been asking about it. My wife and I moved to Holbrook, AZ, last August, after selling my house closer to my Dad and siblings and their families down in Apache Jct and Gilbert. In Utah, my brother Scott, who also does genealogy, just visited Saturday, driving my Dad (83) up here from AJ. I hope you are doing well.

John, IV – I am. My wife and I are adjusting to having adult children by adopting dogs. Getting our second next Sunday.

Terry – Oh, nice! We’ve got two adult kids, one outside of Green Bay and the other at the Cape entrance in Mass. I don’t know if they have pets, but we’ve got four grandkids, one of whom is autistic.

John, IV – Our son and daughter live close to us in Fort Myers, Florida. Michelle is a Pharmacy tech and 10 minutes away. JP is a teacher and just got married. They are about 45 minutes away. I tease that they live in Canada. ?

Terry – Lol.

John, IV – My daughter in law teaches autistic and otherwise challenged students. She has a gift.

Terry – Nice.

John – I have to help Pam, my wife, prepare for a yard sale. Please stay in touch and let me know if you want a WordPress site. I even have an extra domain name. ? It… Not as clever as your branding was… Lol… WordPress is easy and powerful…

Terry – Sorry, my wife needs me, too, lol. Have fun, be safe.

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Re: Status Updates

 
 
Sat 12/5/2020 5:50 PM
 
John, IV,
 
I meant to correct my mistake about Joseph Kinney.  He was Sandra Kinney Eck’s daughter, NOT her brother.  

 
When you read the obits I sent you, you’ll see that John P Ilcik/Elcik and Mary Jonek had 5 children, which we already know, Joseph, Andrew, George (who married Jack’s Aunt Anna), Michael and Mary Elcik King.  John’s obit says he had a brother Paul, whom I believe to be the same Paul who married Mary Fabian, Paul Sr.  Paul Jr. married Gertrude Fournier.  This is the Durham John P Elcik family.  Mary Fabian’s obit states she married Paul Elcik, and they had a son Paul.  This may be repetitive, but the more I say and write it, the better I understand it.  That’s just how my brain works!!!
 
If only we could connect the Durham Elcik’s to our Elcik’s other than through marriage.  It’s frustrating!!!
 
Beth
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Outreach

Thu 12/17/2020 11:50 AM

Beth,

I text messaged this to several people. I included modified versions for Bill Cizmar and Robert Elcik.
John, IV
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I have just discovered the messaging feature here at Ancestry.com.  Imagine my delight that 14 people have connections of potential interest regarding my great-grandfather John Paul Elcik. I am John Paul Elcik, IV and I have a son who also bears this name whom we call “JP.”

My research shows two different families from Europe settled in the late 1800s in Androscoggin County, Maine. Both are Slovak with a Catholic heritage, and both initially settled in Durham, Maine.  I am sharing the following with everyone as I believe a lot of confusion exists regarding the surname Elcik.
The “Elsik” family which I am descended begins with John Paul Elcik (Elsik), and the first documented reference is the United States Federal Census 1910.  I have a cherished photo of the family from that time period I would be happy to share.
  • John Elsik (1866-1941) was married to Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936). John immigrated to America in 1891, and Mary immigrated in 1896. I have some evidence that he had a brother, Joseph.
My grandfather in the 1910 census spells his, and only his surname as Elsik. Everyone else uses Elcik spelling.
The Ilcik family, which is a different family, maybe related, but the proof of that does not yet exist.  When they arrived in America at Ellis Island, their surname was changed from Ilcik to Elcik. There is a family relationship to us through marriage, but it is not a bloodline relationship.
  • John Ilcik (1886-1982) was married to Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated to America in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906.
I have written several documents on the Elcik family explaining all this in some detail.  I address the issues of spelling: Elcik, Ilcik, Elcik, Elick. These documents and the 1910 family photo are available to all who express interest.  Please email me with your request.
I also have a list of inquiries that are ongoing related to the Elsik and Ilcik families.  Those questions also will be shared. Will you be the one with answers?
Have I have provided enough detail that you want to share information?  I hope so. I am currently writing an eBook called MyCousins with Beth Gamache. Beth is the wife of my 1st Cousin, Jack.  They live in Lisbon Falls, Maine, which I have always viewed as my “home” town without ever having lived there. Auntie Gertrude and Uncle Norman lived at 45 Davis Street, and it is where my family always returned to after living in Guam, Japan, and the Philippines. If you guessed my brothers and I lived in a military family, you would have been right; Dad was in the U.S. Navy.
Warmest regards,
John, IV
Dr. John P. Elcik, Ed.D.
15117 Cloverdale Drive
Fort Myers, FL 33919
Email: johnelcik@msn.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jelcik
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnelcik/
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It’s All About the Name

Fri, Dec 18, 2020, at 12:05 AM
 
Beth,
 
This is the letter I sent Jeff a very long time ago.
 
John, IV
 
Dear Jeff,

We’re excited about the news of a Basketball team in the making, and yes, I have some original thoughts about possible names.

You mention family genealogy as a source of ideas. In this specific regard, I am somewhat handicapped. It seems that all my material was sent to our brother Jim for a school project that Lauren or Stacy did. They still have the original material, so give them a call and drop my name. If they still recognize it, it might be worth a 10-cent phone call…You say you don’t use Sprint’? Have I got a deal for you? There’s this bridge in Brooklyn… Sorry, the land in Florida is taken; a fellow named Disney, I think.

I’m at a loss as to how you knew of my special expertise with naming babies… Generally, it’s been a well-kept secret.

First, however, some history bears repeating. One upon a time, a good brother was crestfallen to lose out on the opportunity to name his daughter after the middle names of his exceptional brothers Jeffery Lee and James Stacy. Both the brother and his lovely Indiana bride had easily agreed the name “Stacy Lee– would be a terrific way to honor his siblings. Ultimately. in a naughty moment. one of the brothers broke up the name set by daring to name one of his own daughters, Stacy. Sure, it was his name. nevertheless…

Michelle Kathleen became the second incarnation of a “magnificent obsession–. Michelle after “David Michael– & Kathleen Ann. “Kathleen Ann–. i.e., using the first names of the siblings to the wife of the good brother as the new source of inspiration. This “family– tradition, started by “yours truly– could create some interesting combinations. How about. Paul Stacy. Lee Stacey or John Jim? And is it Paul Lee? or Pauly? Let me digress…

Then there was my attempt several years ago to convince my then boss. Duane Burris to let me name his and Debbie’s fourth or fifth baby (at some point, I’m told you stop counting. Is a basketball team enough, or is football the current rage’?). Anyway, we were driving to Myrtle Beach. Smith Carolina for a conference, and you know how it is when you have too much time on your hands. All the Burris’s children and the parent’s names all begin with a “D.” I campaigned hard for 12 hours to get Duane to choose –Dean Burris thinking I had a shoo-in recommendation. I honestly thought with our involvement with Colleges and Universities that Duane would jump on the concept that –Dean– is a convenient short cut to academic rank. Who needs to get a doctorate when “Dean”– will do. It turned out, however, that the baby was a girl rather than a boy. Not listening to the Dr. (me again), they named her Dallas. You may not be old enough to remember a famous porn movie called. Debbie Does Dallas. Enough said. Dean would have been a better choice. even for a girl.’ How about President Elcik? Commodore Elcik? You get the idea…

This christening a child with a name is obviously a tricky business.

Jeff, do you remember my teacher for the eighth grade? I can’t seem to remember her name. She was also the Principal of the grade school. Perhaps I can’t remember her name because of the wooden ruler she broke over my head. Who would have thought she would get upset because I asked her to be quiet and stop bugging me? My memory is shaky… What really was the word I used’? Never mind…

Anyway. I remember quite well the day she returned from a principal’s conference, just busting a gut to tell us a story she heard at the conference.

As I remember the story, a young impressionable schoolteacher is chagrined to learn that a new boy in her first-grade class was named “Dammit– by his obviously distraught parents. (Rumor had it they had wanted a girl and “Dammit– was a surprise. The teacher didn’t like it much. but what could she do’? –Dammit was the boy’s given. Christian name. Well, several weeks into the school year, the teacher learns the Principal will soon visit her class. Vowing to make a good impression, she decides that she should call on the new boy under no circumstance. The day of the visit comes, and she decides to hold a spelling bee. As the words get progressively harder to spell, the teacher notices that the new boy is trying harder to get her attention. On the very next word, the whole class seems stumped, all except the new kid who continues to wave wildly for her attention. In exasperation, the teacher was heard to say. “Dammit. You know that you can’t spell that word. The principal at this point ventures. “Hell, let him try.”

Now really… which is worse –Dam it or “Shut up–? 

Michelle (the girl who could have been named Stacy Lee) thinks you should seriously consider one of the top 5 baby names for 1996. as reported by health departments. These are in the order of their popularity: Michael. Matthew. Christopher, Joshua, or Jacob. Michelle’s favorite suggestion is “Matthew Lee.”

John, IV

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Re: It’s All About the Name

Sat 12/19/2020 11:17 PM
John, IV,
I LOVE this letter, and I LOVE your writing style.  I love to read; you love to write, so we make a good pair!!!  Obviously, your family wants to keep first family names going in each generation.  That’s interesting because we named our children Loni Beth Gamache and Derek John Gamache.
I have 3 brothers.  My oldest brother’s name is Carl Russell Purinton, and he named his son Russell Purinton (I don’t know his middle name).  My grandfather’s name was Carl Russell Purinton.  My second oldest brother’s name is Lewis Goddard Purinton.  My great grandfather on my mother’s side was Lewis Benson Goddard.  My name is Elizabeth Leola Purinton.  My mother’s sister’s name was Leola, and my father’s 1st cousin’s name was Elizabeth.  My youngest brother’s name is Allan Norman Purinton.  My father’s name was Norman Allan Purinton.
Knowing your family’s decision to naming your children, etc., I understand trying to stay with family names and passing them on to the next generation.  As I read your letter to Jeff, I was shaking my head, acknowledging our family did the same thing.
My theory is most families did that, especially after doing family research on Ancestry and ESPECIALLY the Elcik family.   That’s one of the reasons we’ve been having so much difficulty trying to figure out who’s who to say nothing about records being destroyed, which makes it impossible to locate documents before they came to this country.
I’ve said this before; I had the same problem with the Purinton family with so many Humphrey Purintons marrying women named Thankful (there were 3 consecutive generations of them).  Not only that, several of them named their daughters Thankful, further confusing me when they got married and their last names were different.

I found your letter to Jeff very interesting and fun to read, albeit confusing at times because I don’t know your family like I do mine.  I even chuckled a few times as I was reading it.  It was a source of entertainment for me, and I mean that in a very good way.

Thanks for sharing it with me.

Beth

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Church History

Tue 12/8/2020 7:45 AM

I have been overlooking the historical aspects of MyCousins. The investigation into the origins of St. Cyril Cemetery will put me on track to fix this.

Saints Cyril and Methodius

Cyril and Methodius were two brothers and Byzantine Christian theologians and missionaries. For their work evangelizing the Slavs, they are known as the “Apostles to the Slavs.” They are credited with devising the Glagolitic alphabet, the first alphabet used to transcribe Old Church Slavonic. Wikipedia

Born: 826 or 827 and 815; Thessalonica, Byzantine Empire (present-day Greece)
Venerated in: Catholic Church; Eastern Orthodox Church; Anglican Communion; Lutheranism
Died: 14 February 869 and 6 April 885; Rome and Velehrad, Moravia
John, IV
P.S. I have not given up on contacting the Cemetery who according to research, it has “1-4 employees.” I am confused as to why the (207) 353-2792 phone number for the Cemetery didn’t work.  Pam thinks there was a big snowstorm in Lisbon so we will try again. It should be a current number as it is posted across many websites and listed in the Business Directory of the Town Center for Lisbon as the Holy Trinity Rectory number. I believe they have inherited ownership. See https://www.lisbonme.org/business-directory/holy-trinity-catholic-church. 
Tue 12/8/2020 9:29 PM
John, IV,

You aren’t going to believe this, BUT Holy Trinity church is across the street from us.  They have a long driveway, and you can’t see the church from our house.  They combined Holy Family, St. Cyril, and the Catholic church in Lisbon several years ago and built on land across the street from us given to the church.  We walk over there every day as long as weather permits. 

There’s someone in the office some days, and I’ll walk over there and ask them if they have records of people buried in St. Cyril and Calvary cemeteries.  It’s worth a try, at least.  
 
I’ll see what I can do,
 
Beth
Wed 12/9/2020 12:43 AM
Beth,
Lol. It is a VERY small world. I look forward to learning more.
John, IV