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Re: A Data Entry Question

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Re: A Data Entry Question

Thu 1/28/2021 7:20 AM
John,
 
Now that we have new information from Deeb about the Elcik and Ilcik families, I spent last night moving people around in my Elcik and Gamache family trees.  As I was doing that, I realized we still don’t have a DNA connection to link the two families.  Before now, I was positive there was a connection, and now I’m sad to say, I don’t think there is, at least not an obvious one.  It just seems with the same surnames; there should be.  You asked are we missing something?  I’ve tried many times to answer that question and always come up with the same answer: sadly, NO.  
 
What uncle are you talking about? Who ran cigarettes between FL and NY????
 
Beth
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Ouch!

Sun 1/31/2021 6:47 AM
Beth,
I believe that I am getting old, senile, or both.
 
I am sure that this does not come as a surprise to you, and just as sure what I will share with you next is not a surprise to anyone but me.
 
My last email stated that I had downloaded 95 files for 45 Ilycsik’s and their spouses.  All was going well until I decided to add some of this newfound data to FamilySerach.org. I added the information on Pavlov Ilycsk and Maria Pelcarszki and their four children.  Sweet. All is going well. Janos Elcsik and Erzsebet Baran and their four children are next. Ouch. Did you catch it? I didn’t. In fact, I have been oblivious to it all along.  
Remember how you and I are trying to find the link between what we have referred to as the Elsik and the Ilcik families.  I have thought we are close. No, we don’t have DNA evidence, but the surnames have merged into Elycsik. STOP. Did you catch it this time? There has been no merger. We still have two distinct surnames: Ilycsik and Ilcisk. What happened to the “y.” and Why did I miss it?
Does the “y” matter? Both families share the Ilcik connection. Right? I just checked Ancestry.com, and a search of Ilcisk, without the “y,” finds hundreds of names that I have not downloaded yet. Ouch.
 
It is 6:23, and I am still up but too tired to continue. I’m going to sleep, and this will have been just a nightmare, not real when I wake up. 😢 I wish.
 
John, IV
 
P.S. I need a sabbatical, a long one.
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Re: Hello Cousin

February 5, 2021 10:00 AM

Zlatica,
Thank you for your help and for reaching out.
I guessed that you were female.  But my reasons may have been wrong.  Your Ancestry username ZlaticaBeca suggested to me that your first name might be Beca, short for Rebecca.
Is Beca your last name? And could Vladimir be a husband? If so, the only two women I know who share my interest in genealogy use their husband’s email account for genealogy. Lol.
I have had a team of helpers that I call the “fantastic four” helping me. Beth Gamache is my cousin Jack’s wife who uses his email account.  She has introduced me to others. I think they all volunteer with the Lisbon Historical Society in Maine: Charles “Charlie” Hall,  Earl Williams, and William “Bill” Cizmar.  I added the dynamic duo from the Ancestry Boards to my list of helpers, in which you are the lead volunteer.  Beth and Jack live in Lisbon, Falls, Maine. Quite by accident, we have learned that Earl is a DNA match. We are still seeking the individuals that make it so.
The Fantastic Four were providing me some of the same family information as you shared during overlapping conversations. It would have been fun to read everyone into the conversation. I didn’t think fast enough. I have had great fun and awesome helpers all along.
Beth and I are writing an eBook together called MyCousins.  It will be an expository story told through eMail, FaceBook, and LinkedIn communications with 20 contributors.  It is our journey in genealogy creating the MyCousins Family Tree.  There are over 500 posts.  We hope to self-publish to the family on a website. The goal is to do this on November 3rd, the 42nd anniversary of my wedding to Pam.
My wife Pam and I lived in Fairfield, Ohio, from 1986-2004. We have two adult children: J.P., a schoolteacher, and Michelle, a Pharmacy Tech with Walgreens. Both live nearby.  We recently celebrated my son’s wedding to Ana Del Moral.  We both “were” retired. I still am, unless you count dog sitting for my own two puppies. I do. Pam has taken a short-term position running drugs for Michelle. She delivers COVID-19 vaccinations between Walgreens stores.
I took your advice and posted the current Elcik Brick Wall on the Slovakia Ancestry Board. What do you think?
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Brick Wall Breakthrough

Sun 3/14/2021 12:53 PM
Fantastic Four,
I want to celebrate!
One of the larger goals of my ancestry research has been to see if we could establish a relationship between the two Elcik families, which I have been referring to as the “Elsik” and the “Ilcik” families.
Specifically, I have been attempting to link my great grandfather with the great-grandfather of a different John Elcik. I live in Florida, and the other John lives in Rocky Point, New York.
  • John Elsik (1866-1941) married Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936), through whom I (IV), Dad (III), and John (Jr.) descended. In the 1910 Census, John Elsik identified his surname as Elsik. Elcik is the spelling used for the rest of the family.  John immigrated in 1891 and Mary in 1896. Ancestry and I agree that John Elsik is my great-grandfather.
  • John Elcik (1886-1982) married Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906. He came to America through Ellis Island, and the name was changed to Elcik from Ilcik, as told to his grandson. His son, Andrew J. Elcik (1911-1995), married Jeannie Pascarella through whom many of the “New York” Elcik’s descended. This family includes my “New York” contact: John Elcik.
We know for sure that there is a connection between the New York Elcik’s and us. [Thank you, Beth.] Their George Elcik (in the 1920 Census) married Jack’s father’s sister Anna Gamache. This would not be a blood relative, but it has been the best Beth (and I) could come up with.
Today, I decided to do some research on the DNA finds in my Ancestry.com account. I search for the Elcik surname, and I get a hit for 1_jelcik.  The Family Tree associated with the hit has only two names, and one is private. The father of the DNA match is shown to be Andrew Elcik (1911).  On my family tree, this would make the DNA be that of John J. Elcik (1943-2018), who is the father of John Elcik in Rocky Point, New York.
May we all celebrate?  I think we have done it. The closeness of the relationship interests me, but the relationship alone is a win.  The attached document is Ancestry’s take of the probability of different relationships.
Bottom line, the Ancestry relationship calculator is now telling me that I am related to John in Rocky Point. He is my “great-grandnephew of husband of grandaunt.” I can almost understand this description.
This also lends credence to the Slovakian language experts that say the difference between Ilycsik and Ilcsik is probably a spelling difference.
Would everyone agree that I should encourage John Elcik to fill out his family tree if he has access to his father’s Ancestry account?  
Again, can we all agree to celebrate?  
John, IV
P.S. I have no idea why I couldn’t find this earlier.  Perhaps., John took my advice, and the Ancestry account is him and not his father. Lol.