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Re: Summary of Research Findings

Sun 12/13/2020 12:39 PM

Joseph [Elcik], 
As you know, I’m working on genealogy brick wall scenarios related to the Elcik surname.
 
You could be of great help in two ways. 
 
First, by any chance, were you able to find a copy of the family tree, and could you share it? I’m writing an eBook (My Cousins) with Beth Gamache about genealogy research, and it would be wonderful if I could get access before that happens. Our target to publish is May 3rd, my birthday.
 
Second, it would be helpful to consider or get a close male relative to consider taking a DNA test and sharing the results. There are sales on DNA testing kits by Ancestry.com and MyHeritage.com during the holiday season.  I have taken both tests myself with the hope of using DNA to establish the link between our two families. 
 
The following describes in more detail where I am with the research. 
 
Two families came to America in the late 1888s or early 1900s. Today both families share the Elcik surname, Slovak heritage, and a Catholic background. Back then, the surnames were Elsik and Ilcik.
  • John Elsik (1866-1941) was married to Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936). John immigrated to America in 1891, and Mary immigrated in 1896.
  • John Ilcik (1886-1982) was married to Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated to America in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906
I believe that there is a family relationship linking John Elsik to John Ilcik.
Finding the link has proven difficult as the church records in Europe most likely were destroyed in World War II.  
John Elsik (1866-1941) is my Great Grandfather, and Jon Ilcik is part of your bloodline.  
One possibility for finding the link between the two families is through a DNA test between two males, one from each family.
I’m looking to identify someone from the Ilick family who has or is willing to take a DNA test and share data.  
I am hopeful that the inexpensive (less than $100) testing will work. Ancestry.com is currently offering a 40% discount on its $99 test, and MyHeritage has a similar price for their DNA test. I have been budgeting for the best option. When you seek a match between two living men, that is a Y-111 test. Admittedly, this is expensive at $250 for each participant. But I think we can avoid that. 
This is a chance to make history within the Elcik family. If you know someone who might be interested, please contact me. I’m looking for a hero. ?
John
P.S. I know for sure that there is one connection between the two Elcik families. George Elcik (in the 1920 Census) married my Uncle’s sister Anna Gamache.  I this there is more to find. 
Warmest regards,
John
John Paul Elcik, IV
Fort Myers, Florida
johnelcik@msn.com
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Autosomal DNA

Sun 12/20/2020 8:09 PM
Hi John, IV,
 
Did you get the results back or the Autosomal Test?
 
I still believe Trump will WIN!!!!!
 
Judy
 
 
Mon 12/21/2020 3:19 AM
 
Judy,
 
Not yet. But it should be any day now. The tracking software says they received the kit and they are processing it. ?
 
I’m with you on the election.  I know he won.  We could never elect a crook, even with fake news. We, the people, must be smarter than that.
 
John, IV 
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Re: Status Updates

Sun 12/6/2020 3:55 AM

 
What is that old saying? “From your lips to God’s ear.”  I really do hope that that the two Elcik families are connected, and we find proof. 
 
I have two game plans:  
  • The DNA option is in play as I have submitted the Ancestry DNA kit for analysis. Ancestry.com’s tools for working with our family tree made it the best choice.  However, I also have recently purchased the MyHeritage DNA kit because of its uniquely large European database. It would help if I could get “Ilcik” DNA, but I will be patient. Sooner, or later one of the Ilick’s will share our interest in solving this mystery.
  • I also maintain the FamilySearch Tree because of its broad reach. Someday, I think that another tree will connect to ours, and it will have European ancestors that answer our questions.
To add another quote, “hope is not a strategy,” so I am taking all the action steps I can.  Do you remember the old joke about the individual complaining to God about his not winning the lottery?  He prays that he is a good person, a faithful person, etc.  The story goes on to have God respond, “you need to meet me halfway and purchase a ticket.” I’m buying tickets. Lol. 
 
My next action step will be to investigate immigration records.  Ancestry.com hasn’t been helpful with this part, so I need to try something else. 
 
John, IV 
 
P.S. I have also started writing a “Reader’s Digest” condensed version of the Elcik family history.  I’m about 12 pages into it, and because I want to keep it short, it is about done. Maybe. Maybe not. ? 
  
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DNA Coaching

Wed 1/6/2021 3:02 PM
Judy and Beth,

My Genealogy Coaches

I’m writing to both of you as you both are my coaches.  To introduce you to each other:
  • Judy has been my DNA information source, and we hope to solidify the link between our families through DNA after her father’s DNA linked us.
  • Beth is my co-author of the MyCousins eBook.  Beth is also married to John Gamache (Jack), my 1rst cousin.

DNA Data Processed

My DNA kit from Ancestry.com has been processed.  It may take a couple of days for search engines to access as I just today made the MyCousins Family Tree public. This was necessary to enable search engines.  Public access still protects the privacy of living individuals.
I don’t think this solves my two brick walls. At least not yet. DNA can’t clarify the family relationship between Judy and myself or between John Elsik and John Ilcik. Not yet. I plan to download the raw data and submit it to other sites to improve my chances of doing both.
I also will be getting data from MyHeritage for comparison.
Todate, 6 People with DNA matches are on the Family Tree.
  • John Gamache (my paternal 1st cousin); Ancestry says 1st–2nd Cousin; Shared DNA: 1,099 cm across 30 segments.
  • Cheryl (Heath) Elcik (my paternal 1st cousin); Ancestry says 1st–2nd Cousin; Shared DNA: 790 cm across 31 segments.
  • Constance (Akerley) Lewis (my paternal 1st cousin); Ancestry says 1st–2nd Cousin; Shared DNA: 787 cm across 28 segments.
  • Scott Gebro (my 1st cousin, 1x removed); Ancestry says 1st–2nd Cousin; Shared DNA: 365 cm across 17 segments.
  • Heather Adams (my 2nd cousin); Ancestry says 2nd–3rd Cousin; Shared DNA: 238 cm across 12 segments.
  • Sue Elcik (my 2nd cousin); Ancestry says 2nd–3rd Cousin; Shared DNA: 232 cm across 11 segments.

This data is not as helpful as it could be as the Trees and the DNA test have not been linked by their owners.  This includes you, Beth. Lol.

Ethnicity Estimates

Meanwhile, this is what Ancestry.com gives as an Ethnicity Estimate.
  • Eastern Europe & Russia: 43%
  • England & Northwestern Europe: 20%
  • France: 18%
  • Scotland: 12%
  • Baltics: 6%
  • Ireland: 1%
  • Additional Communities: Southeastern Quebec French Settlers
Eastern Europe and Russia cover a lot of territories. Two subgroups actually:
  • Poland, Slovakia, Hungary & Romania
  • Eastern Hungary, Eastern Slovakia, Northwest Romania & Western Ukraine
My Great-grandfather’s birthplace on US Census records was Austria. This changes to Czechoslovakia in his obituary. The reason for this change is in the history of Europe, which I am researching.
Bottom line, this is all I know at the moment. I’ll keep you posted.
John, IV
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Re: Ancestry.com


Thu 1/7/2021 10:56 PM
Beth,

Thanks for the kind words. But even more, thank you for all you do and have done.
I will keep in touch as I continue with the DNA and other projects. Mostly, I am not doing additional data entry on the tree. It is an endless task, anyway.  Someday, technology will be able to do it more efficiently.
I will send you an updated Flash drive when the eBook gets published. I’m still targeting May 3rd.  I only need one drive returned. And that only if you still have the stuff to send me. I believe my favorite gravesite photographer specializes in flowers?
John, IV
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Re: Ancestry.com DNA Testing


Fri 1/8/2021 5:57 AM
John,

 
I have found DNA results to be confusing at best.  Mine has me linked to people I already know are relatives and many who are distant relatives, sometimes 2-3x removed and more.  It also depends on who has done their DNA. 
 
I was excited at first about the findings, but I’ve recently given up trying to figure out who’s who.  That’s just me.  
 
Good luck with your search. 
 
Beth