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One More Thing

Wed 1/27/2021 4:47 AM
Everybody,
While Beth and I are entering new individuals into our family trees, I picked up on something I missed in my excitement.
First, we add one whole generation to the family tree, and we have additional siblings to add for the Great-Grandparents.  Both are awesome discoveries.
We also confirmed the only theory we had regarding which town the family immigrated from, Parchovany, Trebisov, Slovakia. We also added another town: Zbehnov. This will be a huge plus for additional research.
Two questions, however, I think remain to be asked and answered.
What is the relationship between Pal Ilysik (Pavol Ilcik) and Janos Ilscik (Jan Ilcik)?
Was this stated, and I missed it?
And finally, am I John IV or John V? My head hurts on this one. Lol.
What do you think?
John, IV
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Re: A Data Entry Question

Wed, Jan 27, 2021, at 3:54 PM
Beth,
I hope I’m not frustrating you by overthinking this naming question.
First, there are six basic options:
  1. My original proposal using all derivatives of the surname.
  2. Use the spelling most likely used at the time of birth.
  3. Using the oldest surname, i.e., Ilycsik
  4. Using the Slovak version, i.e., Ilcik
  5. Using the first surname recorded in America Esik and Ilick as appropriate
  6. Use today’s spelling, Elcik for the surname, and localized spelling of first names.
I suppose that the answer could vary by generation, but that gives me a headache.
I’m wondering if it is ok to consider our audience and use Elcik and the American spelling of first names for the tree. The rationale would be that the software itself calls the name: the “preferred” name.
The history of the surname could be dealt with three ways:
  • LifeStory article
  • Notation in the birth, baptismal, or death records as the surname evolves
  • Record a research note for each individual
I would do all three and provide you with a copy of the LifeStory article if that’s all you wanted to be done for your copy of the Elcik tree.
What do you think?
John, IV
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Re: A Data Entry Question

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Re: One More Thing

Sat 1/30/2021 7:05 PM
Earl,
Thank you for sharing the surname and location; both will be helpful.
Based on “Fantastic Four” discoveries, the Elcik/Elsik/Ilcik surname I’m looking for in Europe is spelled Ilycsik. You are one of the ALL-STAR team that for me includes Beth Gamache, Charles “Charlie” Hall, and William “Bill” Cizmar.  You rock.
Eventually, we will pin down the individuals connecting us. I have a good feeling about this getting done.
John, IV
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Suggestion

Sun 1/31/2021 1:14 AM
Beth,
I do like our decision to use the American version of the surnames in the family tree.
However, I would like to suggest that for the 12 names in Deeb’s discovery, we add an * at the end of the surname.
Example: Elcik*, Pelcarsky*, Baron*
When I write the LifeStory, it will be easy to tell users to look for the “*” in our trees. They will be told that the * means (Ilycsik, Ilcik).  Or we could go broader as say that the “*” means the name has been Americanized and use this technique anywhere we choose.
When you search for Elcik in the “List of all People,” the search will find the “*” and places these Elcik “people” at the end of the list as a group. Ancestry changed the name of the List. It used to be “List of All Individuals.” Lol.
John, IV
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Ouch!

Sun 1/31/2021 6:47 AM
Beth,
I believe that I am getting old, senile, or both.
 
I am sure that this does not come as a surprise to you, and just as sure what I will share with you next is not a surprise to anyone but me.
 
My last email stated that I had downloaded 95 files for 45 Ilycsik’s and their spouses.  All was going well until I decided to add some of this newfound data to FamilySerach.org. I added the information on Pavlov Ilycsk and Maria Pelcarszki and their four children.  Sweet. All is going well. Janos Elcsik and Erzsebet Baran and their four children are next. Ouch. Did you catch it? I didn’t. In fact, I have been oblivious to it all along.  
Remember how you and I are trying to find the link between what we have referred to as the Elsik and the Ilcik families.  I have thought we are close. No, we don’t have DNA evidence, but the surnames have merged into Elycsik. STOP. Did you catch it this time? There has been no merger. We still have two distinct surnames: Ilycsik and Ilcisk. What happened to the “y.” and Why did I miss it?
Does the “y” matter? Both families share the Ilcik connection. Right? I just checked Ancestry.com, and a search of Ilcisk, without the “y,” finds hundreds of names that I have not downloaded yet. Ouch.
 
It is 6:23, and I am still up but too tired to continue. I’m going to sleep, and this will have been just a nightmare, not real when I wake up. 😢 I wish.
 
John, IV
 
P.S. I need a sabbatical, a long one.