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Re: A Data Entry Question

Thu 1/28/2021 10:55 AM
Beth,
It is Clyde Raymond Skillin, Jr., my mom’s brother.  He is also the subject of a poem written by his father that I shared a few days ago.
I once or twice claimed that I knew a hitman in the New York Mob. He wasn’t that person. Honestly, he wasn’t.
John, IV
[My sense of humor was a little off this week.  Uncle Clyde was one of my favorite relatives. He introduced me to my wife, Pam.  He was largely responsible for my getting a job at Tri-State University, where all three of us recruited engineering students.]
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Why Is There No Y in Elcik?

Sun 1/31/2021 3:27 PM
Beth,
I woke up singing, “Why is there no Y in Ilcsik?” to the tune, “The monkeys have no tails in Zamboanga.”
No way this song makes the Billboard top 10.
I don’t drink very often, but I thought about a beer to cry into. It would be a first, Lol.
The Summary Status of my “record” collection:
  • # of “Elcik’s” in the MyCousins Tree = 82 people
For now, I will use four folders to keep my Elcik “records” organized.
  • Elcik [decendents of John Elsik] – 70 people
  • Elcik [decendents of John Ilcik] – 76 people
  • Elcik [Ilcsik antecedents of John Elsik] – Maybe, hundreds
  • Elcik [Ilycsik antecedents of John Ilcik] – 45 people
Why, oh why, is there no Y in Ilcsik?
Pam is considering a Family intervention.
Jan Elycsik
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Grandparents

Sun 2/14/2021 1:01 AM
Beth,
 
I agree. My father always used Zeda for grandfather and Buba (one or two “b’s”?) for grandmother. My mother put “Buba” on her gravestone. I have yet, however,  to find those translations in any Slovak dictionary. This may be where Goldie’s reference to different Slovak dialects is relevant.
 

Maybe it isn’t a translation, but rather nicknames they used for their grandparents, much like my children used Popie for Pam’s father. 

Meanwhile, here are links to what I found for each term.

 

Grandmother

Interesting,

John. IV

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One Great Leap

Mon 3/15/2021 2:45 PM
Beth,
I’m putting the following on the Ancestry messenger account for John J. Elcik, where the DNA discovery was made. Please note that I realize I’m writing to a “dead” man.  I try to make that clear with the heading. 
John, IV
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To: John J. Elcik (1943-2018)

From: John P. Elcik, IV (1952-)
Dear John,
Two years ago today, exactly 3/15/19, 7:20 AM, your son, and namesake John Elcik and I communicated. Part of the conversation went like this.
“Hi, John [your son writing], we definitely must be related besides having the same last name. I notice you are from Lisbon Falls, Maine! My grandfather Andrew Elcik was born in Lisbon Falls on a farm in 1911.  He eventually settled in New York City and raised his family in Queens, New York. My father just recently passed away, was also named John Elcik. My father’s brother Andrew Elcik is still alive and lives in Plainview.  Who were your father and grandfather? I know there is a very direct relationship here.”
We agreed, and I have attempted to link my great grandfather with your grandfather for two years.
  • John Elsik (1866-1941) married Mary Pelcarsky (1875-1936), through whom I (IV), Dad (III), and John (Jr.) descended. In the 1910 Census, John Elsik identified his surname as Elsik. Elcik is the spelling used for the rest of the family.  John immigrated in 1891 and Mary in 1896. Ancestry and I agree that John Elsik is my great-grandfather.
  • John Elcik (1886-1982) married Mary Jeho Zena Jonek (1887-1951). John immigrated in 1905, and Mary immigrated a year later in 1906. He came to America through Ellis Island, and the name was changed to Elcik from Ilcik, as told to his grandson. His son, Andrew J. Elcik (1911-1995), married Jeannie Pascarella through whom many of the “New York” Elcik’s descended. This family includes you and your son: my “New York” contact.

Early on, a link between your family and ours was found.  George Elcik (your family) married Anna Gamache, the sister of Norman Gamache.  Norman is my uncle, and his son Jack is my 1st cousin. This would not be a blood relative, but it has been the best the co-author of my eBook, MyCousins, could do. Her name is Beth Purinton Gamache, and she is married to Jack.

I think your son lost patience with the effort to link families as progress has been slow.  He dropped out of the search before I found the gravesite of my Great-grandfather. John, Sr.’s burial site was the first solid (rock hard) evidence that the families are related. Engraved on his gravestone are the letters, “ILCIK.” Then, there are baptismal records for our family that introduce new spellings of the family surname: Ilycsik and Ilcsik.
Today, I decided to do some research on the DNA finds in my Ancestry.com account. I search for the Elcik surname, and I get a hit for 1_jelcik.  The Family Tree associated with the hit has only two names, and one is private. The father of the DNA match is shown to be Andrew Elcik (1911).  On the family tree, this would make the DNA that of John J. Elcik (1943-2018), who is the father of John Elcik in Rocky Point, New York. This is your DNA. I do wish we could have met.
May we all celebrate?  I think this is a remarkable accomplishment for Elcik genealogy. The Ancestry relationship calculator is now telling me that you and I are related.  As for your son, he is my “great-grandnephew of husband of grandaunt.” I can almost understand this description.
I have no idea why I couldn’t find your DNA match sooner. I also don’t know if anyone will ever read this letter. Yes, I know you passed in 2018.  Should your son: “Rocky Point John” read this, I hope he will reach out. I am putting the final touches on the Elcik family tree and eBook, a family history, and an Elcik website.  It would be a pleasure to share.  The Elcik’s have traveled far.
Can we all agree to celebrate?
John P. Elcik, IV
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My Story – Afterward by Beth Purington Gamache

I love MyCousins

 

I knew all my close and immediate family members, including aunts, uncles, cousins, etc., growing up. Still, I NEVER realized how big my family was until I joined My Heritage and then Ancestry months later.  What an eye-opener that was for me.

In 2018 I went to a cemetery in West Bowdoin, ME, where my sister-in-law told me lots of my ancestors were buried.  So one sunny day, off we went with my camera in hand and what a surprise I got.  I took lots of pictures of gravestones that day, not knowing who or how many of them were related to me.

I remember my mom and dad going to West Bowdoin, ME, and Bangor, ME, to visit my dad’s Purinton cousins.  I wasn’t interested in relatives then because they were my dad’s cousins, and why would I want to see them.  This brings me to that day at the West Bowdoin cemetery, where I saw gravestones of families who spelled their name Purinton, Purrington, and Purington. The Puddington spelling had been changed to Purrington, then Purington, and eventually Purinton by most family members. I recognized some of them but not all.  My question at the time was, HOW are they related to ME. After a year or more research, most of my questions were answered thanks to information I obtained on My Heritage and Ancestry.

During that time, I joined the Lisbon Historical Society and met some wonderful people who helped me search and answer many questions about my family.  One person, in particular, Charlie Hall, had been on Ancestry for 20+ years, and he became a valuable source of information for me.  He even researched some of my Purinton family members that I was having trouble with.  He also discovered that he and I are related through the Goddards (my mother’s maiden name is Goddard.)  After my Purinton family tree was complete, I started doing the Goddard family tree, Croteau (my grandmother, my mom’s mom was a Croteau), and Day family tree.  My grandmother Purinton’s maiden name was Day.  I spent a year doing their family trees.

I can trace my Purinton family history back to Devonshire, England, and to a town named Puddington, a small village 8 miles west southwest of Tiverton, England.  It is also believed that is how Andrew Puddington b 1588 got his name.  My family descends from Andrew, and our surname’s spelling was changed over the years to Pudington, Purrington, Purington, and eventually to Purinton, which is how my family spells our name.  Some families still spell it Purington, and I’m convinced we’re all related.

I am fascinated by genealogy and Ancestry and can get lost in research, documents, birth, death, and marriage certificates, among other things.  An important thing to remember, for me anyway, is the use of multiple software platforms to achieve my goals and to “find answers” to my questions.  I have found similar and sometimes the same information on Ancestry and My Heritage.  I have also used Family Search for historical information.  I take lots of notes with names, dates, and any added information I can find to make the best and most accurate conclusion I can to connect people to the correct family.

Fast forward to 2020, and here I am, helping John Elcik IV write an eBook about the Elcik family.  (My husband’s mother’s maiden name was Elcik.)  I hadn’t done too much with the Elcik family tree because I was focused primarily on my family.  Thank goodness John, and I have been collaborating on that tree because I’m positive I wouldn’t have been able to do so by myself.

What an interesting journey it has been for both of us.  We work well together, John as the writer and me as “the go-getter/editor,” if you will.  I live in Lisbon Falls and can go to cemeteries, take pictures, which by the way, I love to do, and I have also reached out to my friends at the Historical Society for help.  There are still families living in Lisbon Falls I’ve reached out to for help and have “tested their memories” about their ancestors.

When John uses the phrase “We Have Traveled Far,” he’s absolutely correct.  Not only have our families traveled far geographically, but we’ve also traveled far in our research.

Word. Beth deserves the last post,  but I take the last word.  – John, IV