Category: Slovak

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DNA Coaching

Wed 1/6/2021 3:02 PM
Judy and Beth,

My Genealogy Coaches

I’m writing to both of you as you both are my coaches.  To introduce you to each other:
  • Judy has been my DNA information source, and we hope to solidify the link between our families through DNA after her father’s DNA linked us.
  • Beth is my co-author of the MyCousins eBook.  Beth is also married to John Gamache (Jack), my 1rst cousin.

DNA Data Processed

My DNA kit from Ancestry.com has been processed.  It may take a couple of days for search engines to access as I just today made the MyCousins Family Tree public. This was necessary to enable search engines.  Public access still protects the privacy of living individuals.
I don’t think this solves my two brick walls. At least not yet. DNA can’t clarify the family relationship between Judy and myself or between John Elsik and John Ilcik. Not yet. I plan to download the raw data and submit it to other sites to improve my chances of doing both.
I also will be getting data from MyHeritage for comparison.
Todate, 6 People with DNA matches are on the Family Tree.
  • John Gamache (my paternal 1st cousin); Ancestry says 1st–2nd Cousin; Shared DNA: 1,099 cm across 30 segments.
  • Cheryl (Heath) Elcik (my paternal 1st cousin); Ancestry says 1st–2nd Cousin; Shared DNA: 790 cm across 31 segments.
  • Constance (Akerley) Lewis (my paternal 1st cousin); Ancestry says 1st–2nd Cousin; Shared DNA: 787 cm across 28 segments.
  • Scott Gebro (my 1st cousin, 1x removed); Ancestry says 1st–2nd Cousin; Shared DNA: 365 cm across 17 segments.
  • Heather Adams (my 2nd cousin); Ancestry says 2nd–3rd Cousin; Shared DNA: 238 cm across 12 segments.
  • Sue Elcik (my 2nd cousin); Ancestry says 2nd–3rd Cousin; Shared DNA: 232 cm across 11 segments.

This data is not as helpful as it could be as the Trees and the DNA test have not been linked by their owners.  This includes you, Beth. Lol.

Ethnicity Estimates

Meanwhile, this is what Ancestry.com gives as an Ethnicity Estimate.
  • Eastern Europe & Russia: 43%
  • England & Northwestern Europe: 20%
  • France: 18%
  • Scotland: 12%
  • Baltics: 6%
  • Ireland: 1%
  • Additional Communities: Southeastern Quebec French Settlers
Eastern Europe and Russia cover a lot of territories. Two subgroups actually:
  • Poland, Slovakia, Hungary & Romania
  • Eastern Hungary, Eastern Slovakia, Northwest Romania & Western Ukraine
My Great-grandfather’s birthplace on US Census records was Austria. This changes to Czechoslovakia in his obituary. The reason for this change is in the history of Europe, which I am researching.
Bottom line, this is all I know at the moment. I’ll keep you posted.
John, IV
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Re: Elcik Gravestone Pictures

Sun 1/17/2021 10:34 AM
John,

 
I’m not sure.  I traced the letters with my finger and tried to scrape some of the molds off with my fingernail without much success.  As soon as I can, I’ll go back with some tools to see if that’ll help clear it up.  I do know the word Manzelka is before Maria’s name.  My friend who knows Slovak told me that’s a fancy way of saying wife in Slovak.  I think there may be something similar to that for John, just a hunch.
 
Earl also told me he has some info on Joseph Elcik, but he isn’t sharing it with me yet.  He’s keeping me in suspense, and it’s killing me.  He said, “anticipation is sometimes better than the real thing,” and left it at that!!!  You can believe I’ll tell you as soon as he reveals what it is.  
 
I’m still over the top happy he found the gravestone for your great grandparents.  
 
Beth
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Re: George Evanisko

Thu 1/21/2021 10:31 PM

John

 
I have George’s obit and also a picture of his gravestone at St Cyril.  Earl found his obit and sent it to me.  Earl isn’t on Ancestry; Charlie is and has been for many years and knows his way around. 
I just talked to Charlie about Paul Elcik Sr. and Paul Elcik Jr.  His obit says he was born in Czechoslovakia, the son of Paul and Mary Pelcharsky Elcik.  That could mean that Mary and Maria, your great grandmother, are sisters and married brothers.  You have a picture of Paul Elcik Sr. and Jr’s gravestone.  There has to be a family connection to the Pelcharsky sisters.
I’m reaching out to people I know who can help us.  I’m still speculating at this point.
Beth
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Re: Elcik Genealogy

Mon, January 25, 2021, 1:56 PM
Charlie:

Slovakia was part of the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary but was administered by Hungary. The Ilčík family was from Parchovany, Slovakia. In the latter part of the 19th century, the priests in Parchovany kept Hungarian sacramental records. In Hungarian, the surname came before the personal name. I found baptismal records for the following children of Ilycsik Pál (Pavol Ilčík in Slovak) and Pelcsarszki Mária (Mária Pelčarská in Slovak):

  • Ilycsik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovaki) baptized Mar. 10, 1885; as John P. Elcik died Sep. 5, 1962 at Lewiston
  • Ilycsik Mária (Mária Ilčík in Slovak) baptized May 18, 1889
  • Ilycsik Anna (Anna Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Sep. 22, 1891

(The Parchovany baptismal records are digitized up to 1895, but Pavol Ilčík was another one of their children, as confirmed by his obituary, which gives his date of birth as February 15, 1896. As Paul Elcik, he died Dec. 23, 1970, at Lewiston.

I found the following baptismal records in Parchovany for children of Ilscik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovak) and Erzsébet Bárán (Alžbeta Baran in Slovak):

  • Ilcsik György (Juraj Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Apr. 20, 1866
  • Ilcsik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Dec. 28, 1867; as John P. Elcik died May 24, 1941 at Lisbon Falls
  • Ilcsik Anna (Anna Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Jan. 31, 1870
  • Ilcskik József (Jozef Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Nov. 26, 1873; as Joseph P. Elcik died May 31, 1838

I hope this helps.

Deeb

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A Data Entry Question

Wed, January 27, 2021, 4:20 AM

Beth,

A discussion item for us is how to do the data entry of the new names.

I would like to have it so that a query of Elcik in the List of All People gets all the Elcik’s.

At the same time, We now have variations in the name for:

  • American name
  • Baptismal name
  • Slovak name

I propose the following to get the sort right and keep the historical data as well.

Not only will the Elcik’s all appear using this strategy, but the variations will appear sorted at the end.

You can see what I mean by doing a sort on the MyCousins Tree.

What do you think?

John, IV

Listing #First NameSurnameRelationship

1

Pal (Pavol, Paul) Elcik (IIycsik, Ilcik) NY John Elcik’s Great-Great-Grandfather

2

Maria Pelcsarszki (Pelcarska)#1’s spouse (Not our Pelcarsky, but probably related)

3

John (Janos, Jan) Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) NY John Elcik’s Great-Grandfather

4

Maria Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #3

5

Anna Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #3

6

Pavol (Paul) Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik)Sibling of #3

7

Janos Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik)My Great-Great-Grandfather

8

Elizabeth

(Erzsebet, Alzbeta)

Baron (Baran)#7’s spouse

9

George (Gyorgy) Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

10

John (Janos, Jan) Elcik (Ilcik, Ilcik, Elsik) My Great-Grandfather

11

Anna Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

12

Joseph P. (Jozsef) Elcik (Elsik, Ilcsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

 

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One More Thing

Wed 1/27/2021 4:47 AM
Everybody,
While Beth and I are entering new individuals into our family trees, I picked up on something I missed in my excitement.
First, we add one whole generation to the family tree, and we have additional siblings to add for the Great-Grandparents.  Both are awesome discoveries.
We also confirmed the only theory we had regarding which town the family immigrated from, Parchovany, Trebisov, Slovakia. We also added another town: Zbehnov. This will be a huge plus for additional research.
Two questions, however, I think remain to be asked and answered.
What is the relationship between Pal Ilysik (Pavol Ilcik) and Janos Ilscik (Jan Ilcik)?
Was this stated, and I missed it?
And finally, am I John IV or John V? My head hurts on this one. Lol.
What do you think?
John, IV
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Re: A Data Entry Question

Wed, Jan 27, 2021, at 3:54 PM
Beth,
I hope I’m not frustrating you by overthinking this naming question.
First, there are six basic options:
  1. My original proposal using all derivatives of the surname.
  2. Use the spelling most likely used at the time of birth.
  3. Using the oldest surname, i.e., Ilycsik
  4. Using the Slovak version, i.e., Ilcik
  5. Using the first surname recorded in America Esik and Ilick as appropriate
  6. Use today’s spelling, Elcik for the surname, and localized spelling of first names.
I suppose that the answer could vary by generation, but that gives me a headache.
I’m wondering if it is ok to consider our audience and use Elcik and the American spelling of first names for the tree. The rationale would be that the software itself calls the name: the “preferred” name.
The history of the surname could be dealt with three ways:
  • LifeStory article
  • Notation in the birth, baptismal, or death records as the surname evolves
  • Record a research note for each individual
I would do all three and provide you with a copy of the LifeStory article if that’s all you wanted to be done for your copy of the Elcik tree.
What do you think?
John, IV