Category: Ilcik

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Re: Ilcik

Fri 1/15/2021 11:55 PM

Beth,

Did you notice just how active Earl has been? Incredible work ethic.
Yes, that IS me. What can I say? Actually, I’m speechless. Wow.  I thought I wouldn’t be surprised again, at least not right away. The surprises keep coming.
  1. Great-grandfathers’ obituary.
  2. Great-grandfather’s gravesite and Ilcik connection.
  3. Your Byrus connection.
  4. Earl’s DNA revelation.
What is next?
What fun! And you are at the center of all these discoveries. 🎉🥳
Thank you!
John, IV
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Re: Elcik Genealogy

Mon, January 25, 2021, 1:56 PM
Charlie:

Slovakia was part of the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary but was administered by Hungary. The Ilčík family was from Parchovany, Slovakia. In the latter part of the 19th century, the priests in Parchovany kept Hungarian sacramental records. In Hungarian, the surname came before the personal name. I found baptismal records for the following children of Ilycsik Pál (Pavol Ilčík in Slovak) and Pelcsarszki Mária (Mária Pelčarská in Slovak):

  • Ilycsik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovaki) baptized Mar. 10, 1885; as John P. Elcik died Sep. 5, 1962 at Lewiston
  • Ilycsik Mária (Mária Ilčík in Slovak) baptized May 18, 1889
  • Ilycsik Anna (Anna Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Sep. 22, 1891

(The Parchovany baptismal records are digitized up to 1895, but Pavol Ilčík was another one of their children, as confirmed by his obituary, which gives his date of birth as February 15, 1896. As Paul Elcik, he died Dec. 23, 1970, at Lewiston.

I found the following baptismal records in Parchovany for children of Ilscik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovak) and Erzsébet Bárán (Alžbeta Baran in Slovak):

  • Ilcsik György (Juraj Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Apr. 20, 1866
  • Ilcsik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Dec. 28, 1867; as John P. Elcik died May 24, 1941 at Lisbon Falls
  • Ilcsik Anna (Anna Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Jan. 31, 1870
  • Ilcskik József (Jozef Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Nov. 26, 1873; as Joseph P. Elcik died May 31, 1838

I hope this helps.

Deeb

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Re: Elcik Genealogy

Mon 1/25/2021 6:01 PM
Charlie,
Wow! I am very excited to delve into this information—another goldmine. There is no way I can ever thank you enough for all you have done. You, Earl, and Beth are a dynamic trio.
It will take me time to realize the full significance of all this—several initial thoughts.
  1. I think this totally answers the Elcik, Elsik, Ilcik relations puzzle. Almost unbelievable…
  2. It also solves the puzzle of the mysterious Elizabeth Baron. I have a Social Security source document for her, but until now could only guess who she might be.
I’m going to copy Earl and Beth on this. Earl gave you a great lead, but your follow-up was a hit out of the ballpark.
Beth has been struggling as much as I with these puzzles. I think she will be as over the moon with joy as I.
John, IV
cc: Earl, Beth
Thank you!!!!
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A Data Entry Question

Wed, January 27, 2021, 4:20 AM

Beth,

A discussion item for us is how to do the data entry of the new names.

I would like to have it so that a query of Elcik in the List of All People gets all the Elcik’s.

At the same time, We now have variations in the name for:

  • American name
  • Baptismal name
  • Slovak name

I propose the following to get the sort right and keep the historical data as well.

Not only will the Elcik’s all appear using this strategy, but the variations will appear sorted at the end.

You can see what I mean by doing a sort on the MyCousins Tree.

What do you think?

John, IV

Listing #First NameSurnameRelationship

1

Pal (Pavol, Paul) Elcik (IIycsik, Ilcik) NY John Elcik’s Great-Great-Grandfather

2

Maria Pelcsarszki (Pelcarska)#1’s spouse (Not our Pelcarsky, but probably related)

3

John (Janos, Jan) Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) NY John Elcik’s Great-Grandfather

4

Maria Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #3

5

Anna Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #3

6

Pavol (Paul) Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik)Sibling of #3

7

Janos Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik)My Great-Great-Grandfather

8

Elizabeth

(Erzsebet, Alzbeta)

Baron (Baran)#7’s spouse

9

George (Gyorgy) Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

10

John (Janos, Jan) Elcik (Ilcik, Ilcik, Elsik) My Great-Grandfather

11

Anna Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

12

Joseph P. (Jozsef) Elcik (Elsik, Ilcsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

 

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One More Thing

Wed 1/27/2021 4:47 AM
Everybody,
While Beth and I are entering new individuals into our family trees, I picked up on something I missed in my excitement.
First, we add one whole generation to the family tree, and we have additional siblings to add for the Great-Grandparents.  Both are awesome discoveries.
We also confirmed the only theory we had regarding which town the family immigrated from, Parchovany, Trebisov, Slovakia. We also added another town: Zbehnov. This will be a huge plus for additional research.
Two questions, however, I think remain to be asked and answered.
What is the relationship between Pal Ilysik (Pavol Ilcik) and Janos Ilscik (Jan Ilcik)?
Was this stated, and I missed it?
And finally, am I John IV or John V? My head hurts on this one. Lol.
What do you think?
John, IV