Category: Ilycsik

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Re: Elcik Genealogy

Mon, January 25, 2021, 1:56 PM
Charlie:

Slovakia was part of the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary but was administered by Hungary. The Ilčík family was from Parchovany, Slovakia. In the latter part of the 19th century, the priests in Parchovany kept Hungarian sacramental records. In Hungarian, the surname came before the personal name. I found baptismal records for the following children of Ilycsik Pál (Pavol Ilčík in Slovak) and Pelcsarszki Mária (Mária Pelčarská in Slovak):

  • Ilycsik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovaki) baptized Mar. 10, 1885; as John P. Elcik died Sep. 5, 1962 at Lewiston
  • Ilycsik Mária (Mária Ilčík in Slovak) baptized May 18, 1889
  • Ilycsik Anna (Anna Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Sep. 22, 1891

(The Parchovany baptismal records are digitized up to 1895, but Pavol Ilčík was another one of their children, as confirmed by his obituary, which gives his date of birth as February 15, 1896. As Paul Elcik, he died Dec. 23, 1970, at Lewiston.

I found the following baptismal records in Parchovany for children of Ilscik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovak) and Erzsébet Bárán (Alžbeta Baran in Slovak):

  • Ilcsik György (Juraj Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Apr. 20, 1866
  • Ilcsik János (Ján Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Dec. 28, 1867; as John P. Elcik died May 24, 1941 at Lisbon Falls
  • Ilcsik Anna (Anna Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Jan. 31, 1870
  • Ilcskik József (Jozef Ilčík in Slovak) baptized Nov. 26, 1873; as Joseph P. Elcik died May 31, 1838

I hope this helps.

Deeb

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A Data Entry Question

Wed, January 27, 2021, 4:20 AM

Beth,

A discussion item for us is how to do the data entry of the new names.

I would like to have it so that a query of Elcik in the List of All People gets all the Elcik’s.

At the same time, We now have variations in the name for:

  • American name
  • Baptismal name
  • Slovak name

I propose the following to get the sort right and keep the historical data as well.

Not only will the Elcik’s all appear using this strategy, but the variations will appear sorted at the end.

You can see what I mean by doing a sort on the MyCousins Tree.

What do you think?

John, IV

Listing #First NameSurnameRelationship

1

Pal (Pavol, Paul) Elcik (IIycsik, Ilcik) NY John Elcik’s Great-Great-Grandfather

2

Maria Pelcsarszki (Pelcarska)#1’s spouse (Not our Pelcarsky, but probably related)

3

John (Janos, Jan) Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) NY John Elcik’s Great-Grandfather

4

Maria Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #3

5

Anna Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #3

6

Pavol (Paul) Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik)Sibling of #3

7

Janos Elcik (Ilycsik, Ilcik)My Great-Great-Grandfather

8

Elizabeth

(Erzsebet, Alzbeta)

Baron (Baran)#7’s spouse

9

George (Gyorgy) Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

10

John (Janos, Jan) Elcik (Ilcik, Ilcik, Elsik) My Great-Grandfather

11

Anna Elcik (Ilscik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

12

Joseph P. (Jozsef) Elcik (Elsik, Ilcsik, Ilcik) Sibling of #10

 

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Re: A Data Entry Question

Wed, Jan 27, 2021, at 3:54 PM
Beth,
I hope I’m not frustrating you by overthinking this naming question.
First, there are six basic options:
  1. My original proposal using all derivatives of the surname.
  2. Use the spelling most likely used at the time of birth.
  3. Using the oldest surname, i.e., Ilycsik
  4. Using the Slovak version, i.e., Ilcik
  5. Using the first surname recorded in America Esik and Ilick as appropriate
  6. Use today’s spelling, Elcik for the surname, and localized spelling of first names.
I suppose that the answer could vary by generation, but that gives me a headache.
I’m wondering if it is ok to consider our audience and use Elcik and the American spelling of first names for the tree. The rationale would be that the software itself calls the name: the “preferred” name.
The history of the surname could be dealt with three ways:
  • LifeStory article
  • Notation in the birth, baptismal, or death records as the surname evolves
  • Record a research note for each individual
I would do all three and provide you with a copy of the LifeStory article if that’s all you wanted to be done for your copy of the Elcik tree.
What do you think?
John, IV
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Re: One More Thing

Sat 1/30/2021 7:05 PM
Earl,
Thank you for sharing the surname and location; both will be helpful.
Based on “Fantastic Four” discoveries, the Elcik/Elsik/Ilcik surname I’m looking for in Europe is spelled Ilycsik. You are one of the ALL-STAR team that for me includes Beth Gamache, Charles “Charlie” Hall, and William “Bill” Cizmar.  You rock.
Eventually, we will pin down the individuals connecting us. I have a good feeling about this getting done.
John, IV
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Suggestion

Sun 1/31/2021 1:14 AM
Beth,
I do like our decision to use the American version of the surnames in the family tree.
However, I would like to suggest that for the 12 names in Deeb’s discovery, we add an * at the end of the surname.
Example: Elcik*, Pelcarsky*, Baron*
When I write the LifeStory, it will be easy to tell users to look for the “*” in our trees. They will be told that the * means (Ilycsik, Ilcik).  Or we could go broader as say that the “*” means the name has been Americanized and use this technique anywhere we choose.
When you search for Elcik in the “List of all People,” the search will find the “*” and places these Elcik “people” at the end of the list as a group. Ancestry changed the name of the List. It used to be “List of All Individuals.” Lol.
John, IV
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Ouch!

Sun 1/31/2021 6:47 AM
Beth,
I believe that I am getting old, senile, or both.
 
I am sure that this does not come as a surprise to you, and just as sure what I will share with you next is not a surprise to anyone but me.
 
My last email stated that I had downloaded 95 files for 45 Ilycsik’s and their spouses.  All was going well until I decided to add some of this newfound data to FamilySerach.org. I added the information on Pavlov Ilycsk and Maria Pelcarszki and their four children.  Sweet. All is going well. Janos Elcsik and Erzsebet Baran and their four children are next. Ouch. Did you catch it? I didn’t. In fact, I have been oblivious to it all along.  
Remember how you and I are trying to find the link between what we have referred to as the Elsik and the Ilcik families.  I have thought we are close. No, we don’t have DNA evidence, but the surnames have merged into Elycsik. STOP. Did you catch it this time? There has been no merger. We still have two distinct surnames: Ilycsik and Ilcisk. What happened to the “y.” and Why did I miss it?
Does the “y” matter? Both families share the Ilcik connection. Right? I just checked Ancestry.com, and a search of Ilcisk, without the “y,” finds hundreds of names that I have not downloaded yet. Ouch.
 
It is 6:23, and I am still up but too tired to continue. I’m going to sleep, and this will have been just a nightmare, not real when I wake up. 😢 I wish.
 
John, IV
 
P.S. I need a sabbatical, a long one.
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Re: Ouch!

Sun 1/31/2021 10:48 PM
John, IV
WOW, WOW, WOW!!!  No, I didn’t catch the “y” theory.  I saw the Ilycsik spelling many times, but nothing clicked.  How in the world will you ever figure this out??  

 
Maybe you should take the sabbatical and return when you’re more rested.  If you’re like me, the sabbatical won’t happen until you’re done.  I feel your pain because I did that with my Purinton family tree.  I spent many sleepless nights then, and I’ve done it with the Elcik family as well.
 
There is something seriously wrong with us!!!
 
Beth