Wed 1/27/2021 3:10 PM
To me, you are “Four.” That is my reality. 😊
Charlie
RE: One More Thing
Category: The Contributors
Re: One More Thing
Wed 1/27/2021 3:34 PM
Charlie,
My son’s (John Paul Elcik, V) too. He didn’t even laugh. Thus, it is a moot point.
John, IV
Re: A Data Entry Question
Wed, Jan 27, 2021, at 3:54 PM
Beth,
I hope I’m not frustrating you by overthinking this naming question.
First, there are six basic options:
- My original proposal using all derivatives of the surname.
- Use the spelling most likely used at the time of birth.
- Using the oldest surname, i.e., Ilycsik
- Using the Slovak version, i.e., Ilcik
- Using the first surname recorded in America Esik and Ilick as appropriate
- Use today’s spelling, Elcik for the surname, and localized spelling of first names.
I suppose that the answer could vary by generation, but that gives me a headache.
I’m wondering if it is ok to consider our audience and use Elcik and the American spelling of first names for the tree. The rationale would be that the software itself calls the name: the “preferred” name.
The history of the surname could be dealt with three ways:
- LifeStory article
- Notation in the birth, baptismal, or death records as the surname evolves
- Record a research note for each individual
I would do all three and provide you with a copy of the LifeStory article if that’s all you wanted to be done for your copy of the Elcik tree.
What do you think?
John, IV
Re: A Data Entry Question
Wed, Jan 27, 2021, at 5:43
Beth,
Let us make that a joint decision.
The backstory on Deeb is fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
I don’t want to wear out your sources, but I had a thought.
Would Deeb be a resource for getting a translation of the nursery lullaby that my Dad and Uncle Richard sang at your home? Yes, I am an elephant.
Also, did you see my question about the relationship between Paul and John? The surname is the same now, but we still don’t have a DNA connection between myself and the “New York” family. Lisbon Falls vs. Durham and Elsik vs. Ilcik both are no longer useful as differentiation. Can we refer to them as the mafia? Lol.
Did I ever tell you that my uncle ran cigarettes between Florida and New York? True story.
John, IV
Deeb
Wed 1/27/2021 4:53 PM
John,
Using the American surname for Ancestry would be easier (in my opinion) for people researching the Elcik family. It certainly would be for me. Also, the surname’s history is a wonderful idea and helps explain the difficulty of understanding birth certificates, marriages, etc. If Deeb Keamy hadn’t made this discovery, we probably would never know this information. A Life Story article would be very appropriate, and I’m happy you’re writing it as I wouldn’t know where to begin!!
A little history about Deeb: his mother is Marilyn Keamy. Her maiden name was Karkos, and I originally contacted her about the Karkos family picture of the 10 children and the mother and father sitting in chairs in front of them. She identified everyone with a little history of them. She’s 93 and has an amazing memory, and has become a good friend of mine recently. She mentioned contacting her son, Deeb, as he loves Ancestry and has resources that we obviously don’t have. I mentioned that to Charlie, and he contacted him. You know the rest of the story. Deeb also belongs to the HS even though he lives in MD. He’s retired now but worked in some capacity in Washington DC. He grew up in Lisbon Falls and has 6 siblings.
Beth
Elcik Video
Thurs, January 28, 2021, 6:53 AM
John,
Do you have a copy of the video of your dad and Uncle Richard singing the Nursery Rhyme? I can’t find the one I had. I want to put it on a flash drive and give it to a friend who speaks Slovak. You mentioned asking Deeb, but I don’t know if he speaks Slovak.
Beth
Re: A Data Entry Question
Thu 1/28/2021 7:20 AM
John,
Now that we have new information from Deeb about the Elcik and Ilcik families, I spent last night moving people around in my Elcik and Gamache family trees. As I was doing that, I realized we still don’t have a DNA connection to link the two families. Before now, I was positive there was a connection, and now I’m sad to say, I don’t think there is, at least not an obvious one. It just seems with the same surnames; there should be. You asked are we missing something? I’ve tried many times to answer that question and always come up with the same answer: sadly, NO.
What uncle are you talking about? Who ran cigarettes between FL and NY????
Beth